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Post by aDave on Apr 21, 2018 12:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by MsAli on Apr 21, 2018 12:40:19 GMT -5
That's a pretty serious outbreak and then there is the eggs also
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Post by aDave on Apr 21, 2018 13:01:00 GMT -5
That's a pretty serious outbreak and then there is the eggs also I did not know about the egg issue, so thanks for bringing it up. I think we're okay in that department since ours are Kirkland eggs and are not listed. However, we just set aside about 8 heads of Romaine which will end up as tortoise food. There was no mention on the bags where they were grown (other than USA), so we're not taking a chance.
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Post by MsAli on Apr 21, 2018 13:15:32 GMT -5
The romaine outbreak sucks I had to throw some out as well
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Post by vegasjames on Apr 21, 2018 16:06:11 GMT -5
The outbreak is in Romaine lettuce from Arizona only.
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Post by MsAli on Apr 21, 2018 16:18:11 GMT -5
The outbreak is in Romaine lettuce from Arizona only. 16 states affected. Mine didn't say where is came from as I take it out of the bags, but I'd rather be safe than have ecoli
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Post by aDave on Apr 21, 2018 19:12:27 GMT -5
The outbreak is in Romaine lettuce from Arizona only. Correct. However, according to info I've read, 90% of the US winter crop comes from the Yuma region. IMHO, that's a boatload. 16 different states (upon my last read about the problem) being affected indicates it's a widespread issue. I'm choosing to not take the chance unless I can confirm the growing region. I'm not a "sky is falling" type of guy, but until this gets dialed in, no Romaine in our house.
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Post by vegasjames on Apr 21, 2018 20:32:16 GMT -5
The outbreak is in Romaine lettuce from Arizona only. Correct. However, according to info I've read, 90% of the US winter crop comes from the Yuma region. IMHO, that's a boatload. 16 different states (upon my last read about the problem) being affected indicates it's a widespread issue. I'm choosing to not take the chance unless I can confirm the growing region. I'm not a "sky is falling" type of guy, but until this gets dialed in, no Romaine in our house. Just lick it. If it tastes like crap then you know it has E. coli.
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Post by Fossilman on Apr 22, 2018 8:54:18 GMT -5
I'm a recovering vegetarian, so I don't eat veggies.... As for eggs, we buy local, so we are safe on that part.. I think most of our lettuce comes from California..
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Post by vegasjames on Apr 22, 2018 16:39:08 GMT -5
I'm a recovering vegetarian, so I don't eat veggies.... As for eggs, we buy local, so we are safe on that part.. I think most of our lettuce comes from California.. The big risk from eggs is salmonella, which is mainly found on the shells. Some people will soak the eggs shortly in peroxide to kill the salmonella.
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Post by aDave on Apr 22, 2018 20:41:17 GMT -5
I'm a recovering vegetarian, so I don't eat veggies.... As for eggs, we buy local, so we are safe on that part.. I think most of our lettuce comes from California.. The big risk from eggs is salmonella, which is mainly found on the shells. Some people will soak the eggs shortly in peroxide to kill the salmonella. That's the case from the outbreak from the plant in NC. I've never heard of the peroxide cure. Very interesting.
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 22, 2018 20:46:06 GMT -5
I had some Food Lion eggs I had to check the label on. They were fine. We get a lot of chicken and chicken product from NC.
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 22, 2018 20:48:27 GMT -5
I had salmonella poisoning for 4 weeks and how no clue. Very random symptoms (not text-book) and lost 20 lbs. No diarrhea really (sorry - I'm giving symptoms so others can seek help if they were like me) at all. Simple azithromycin twice a day for 5 days cured it. Weight back after some beer =)
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 22, 2018 20:59:21 GMT -5
Ok, this gross. My gandson got a side salad with a little romaine in it the other night. He didn't want it, so he passed it to me. Love salad. BUT, I had terrible trotskies for a full day after. Nothing more. Just running to the bathroom every half hour. Is that e coli?
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Post by aDave on Apr 22, 2018 21:09:01 GMT -5
Ok, this gross. My gandson got a side salad with a little romaine in it the other night. He didn't want it, so he passed it to me. Love salad. BUT, I had terrible trotskies for a full day after. Nothing more. Just running to the bathroom every half hour. Is that e coli? Could be...but I'm not a doc, and I would think a culture would be needed to say for sure. However, in your words, the "trots" can be one symptom. More severe cases would include bloody trots. In addition to the lettuce (for you), I would also be skeptical of the handling of any dressings, as you could also get sick from those if they weren't refrigerated or handled properly. Not going to say one way or another, but here's an article related to symptoms and such. (The good news is if you are getting better, or have gotten better, it was a mild case of whatever you had.) www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/e-coli/symptoms-causes/syc-20372058
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 22, 2018 21:21:29 GMT -5
Ok, this gross. My gandson got a side salad with a little romaine in it the other night. He didn't want it, so he passed it to me. Love salad. BUT, I had terrible trotskies for a full day after. Nothing more. Just running to the bathroom every half hour. Is that e coli? I am a doc =) Usually food poisoning including e.coli starts after eating the food... usually like 24 hrs after. And - if e.coli usually blood is involved. If the "trotskies" let up after a period of time doubt its e.coli
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 22, 2018 21:27:46 GMT -5
Hey Doc, thanks. It was the very next day and no blood. Must of been something else.
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Post by vegasjames on Apr 22, 2018 22:44:15 GMT -5
Hey Doc, thanks. It was the very next day and no blood. Must of been something else. It is easy to pick up a lot of things at restaurants. No telling who washed their hands, how they prepared the food, how well the dishes and utensils were cleaned etc. Buffets are really bad as so many people handling the serving spoons. Anyway a simple trick if this comes up again is to keep some kefir on hand and down as much as you can as early as you can. Usually clears up symptoms in about 45 minutes. The beneficial microbes in the kefir produce acids, peroxides and bactercides that kill off the pathogens and the good bacteria crowd out the bad bacteria. A note on the kefir. When left unopened for a while the container will start to expand. It is not going bad. The cultures are still live in the kefir and they are fermenting the sugars still in the kefir forming carbon dioxide gas that is bulging the container. This will continue until all the sugar is used up then the bacteria go dormant.
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Post by aDave on Apr 22, 2018 22:46:46 GMT -5
Hey Doc, thanks. It was the very next day and no blood. Must of been something else. It is easy to pick up a lot of things at restaurants. No telling who washed their hands, how they prepared the food, how well the dishes and utensils were cleaned etc. Buffets are really bad as so many people handling the serving spoons. Anyway a simple trick if this comes up again is to keep some kefir on hand and down as much as you can as early as you can. Usually clears up symptoms in about 45 minutes. The beneficial microbes in the kefir produce acids, peroxides and bactercides that kill off the pathogens and the good bacteria crowd out the bad bacteria. A note on the kefir. When left unopened for a while the container will start to expand. It is not going bad. The cultures are still live in the kefir and they are fermenting the sugars still in the kefir forming carbon dioxide gas that is bulging the container. This will continue until all the sugar is used up then the bacteria go dormant. I've got a stupid question for you, James. Is the kefir started after the symptoms appear, or do you just routinely drink this stuff anytime you go out to dinner?
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 22, 2018 22:46:48 GMT -5
Hey Doc, thanks. It was the very next day and no blood. Must of been something else. We all get crap that lasts a short period of time. The important part is to not ignore symptoms of any kind (even if vague) and seek some basic help and diagnosis. If you aren't better in a matter of days, can't keep fluids down secondary to vomiting (or the other end) - then you should find out why. If you turn the corner and feel well, it's likely a viral gastroenteritis and you can expect to recover.
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