sophia13
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Post by sophia13 on Aug 24, 2018 7:05:59 GMT -5
Looking at an old 16" saw with auto feed and power shut off. Is 600 a fair price for it? Thank you. Can't find out how to post image or would.
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sophia13
spending too much on rocks
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Post by sophia13 on Aug 24, 2018 7:16:34 GMT -5
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Post by woodman on Aug 24, 2018 9:02:27 GMT -5
I paid 700 for an old 18 inch lortone 10 years ago,so if the blade is decent I would say 600 is fair. You al always offer less ands see what happens.
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Post by Rockoonz on Aug 24, 2018 10:11:07 GMT -5
The bungies that appear to be on the shaft for the auto feed are interesting. Makes me wonder if the ring gear is wearing out. You can get a replacement from Chinese HP for $45 and the worm gear for $28. If I needed them I would probably get the feed screw and bushings as well and replace them all. Here's a page of all the parts they offer for it with prices. www.hplapidary.com/en/1416-inch-saw-parts#/pageSize=9&viewMode=grid&orderBy=0If it needed the split nut I would have it redone by cigarbox rocks instead, the chinese inserts are garbage. cigarboxrock.com/cool-parts/#splitHave you seen it in person? Personally I would offer $400 but typical prices vary by the area. In superb condition around here I could probably get $1000 to $1200 for it, maybe more.
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AzRockGeek
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Post by AzRockGeek on Aug 24, 2018 10:14:22 GMT -5
The price of any lapidary equipment is very relative to where you live. In Az, if you can find a HP slab saw of any size for $600, it will require some TLC prior to use. (New bearings and bushings). It is getting harder and harder to find any decent lapidary equipment at a fair price these days, everyone wants near retail pricing.
My only major concern with that saw is why is there a bungy cord on the feed screw shaft? I would verify that the feed worm gears are good shape, they are expensive and there are only a few places to purchase them. If it was near me, that saw would already be in my garage.
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sophia13
spending too much on rocks
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Post by sophia13 on Aug 24, 2018 19:41:09 GMT -5
Brought her home. Bungees held top tight because it vibrated a bit. Gear works fine but just moves so darn slow. It rolls well on wheels that he had welded on. Came with an extra blade, oil and logs of small rocks in plaster to cut? I'm a pretty good negotiator but he wouldn't move off the 600 but I think it was worth it.
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sophia13
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Post by sophia13 on Aug 24, 2018 20:10:18 GMT -5
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Post by woodman on Aug 24, 2018 20:17:36 GMT -5
Brought her home. Bungees held top tight because it vibrated a bit. Gear works fine but just moves so darn slow. It rolls well on wheels that he had welded on. Came with an extra blade, oil and logs of small rocks in plaster to cut? I'm a pretty good negotiator but he wouldn't move off the 600 but I think it was worth it. You will most likely get a lot of service out of it... enjoy!
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sophia13
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Post by sophia13 on Aug 24, 2018 20:19:00 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone for your input. You guys and gals are the best. Anyone know how to tell what brand it truly is? Almost think I can see some words or letters imprinted on the round piece in front but it's been repainted. Thinking of stripping to check. Belonged to a Professor of Entomology at Purdue a while back. (Bugs by profession, rockhound by love of the hobby the owner said. Also any do or don't tips on cleaning her?
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AzRockGeek
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Post by AzRockGeek on Aug 24, 2018 21:09:05 GMT -5
It's a Highland Park. Top of the line saw. Take care of it and it will out last grand kids.
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Post by Rockoonz on Aug 25, 2018 1:33:07 GMT -5
The vice looks like highland park, did you remove the moving part of the vice for your FB pic? The early saws had the round rails like yours, my 12/14 was probably built in the late 40's or early 50's The blade arbor doesn't look HP, guessing a modification, round rail saws have pillow blocks on the outside, square rail saws have pillow blocks on the inside, but yours has a tube with bearings like a nelson and some others, an upgrade IMO. If he still hangs out here sphereguy may have an answer as to whether HP ever used an arbor like that.
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sophia13
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Post by sophia13 on Aug 25, 2018 9:39:49 GMT -5
The vice looks like highland park, did you remove the moving part of the vice for your FB pic? The early saws had the round rails like yours, my 12/14 was probably built in the late 40's or early 50's The blade arbor doesn't look HP, guessing a modification, round rail saws have pillow blocks on the outside, square rail saws have pillow blocks on the inside, but yours has a tube with bearings like a nelson and some others, an upgrade IMO. If he still hangs out here sphereguy may have an answer as to whether HP ever used an arbor like that. You are supercool. Thank you for the information. I did remove the front part of the vice.
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Post by Peruano on Aug 25, 2018 10:02:02 GMT -5
It may take some fiddling but it should perform for you. You want the vice to move slowly. Maybe somewhere between 5 to 10 minutes to move an inch 7 works well for me. Some saws have multiple sizes of pulleys on the feed belt to allow adjustable feed speed for different rock hardness. Cut small and easy rocks until you get the hang of it. Name and model are on the round cover you mentioned. Check for heavy oil in that worm drive and reseal with black silicone if need to do so.
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sphereguy
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Post by sphereguy on Aug 25, 2018 23:15:55 GMT -5
It is a highland park but the arbor has been changed it resembles the first frantom arbors used.
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sophia13
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Post by sophia13 on Aug 26, 2018 15:50:38 GMT -5
It is a highland park but the arbor has been changed it resembles the first frantom arbors used. Any idea of it's age sphereguy? Thank you for your input. Nice to have such a group of folks to draw from.
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Post by Peruano on Aug 26, 2018 17:39:49 GMT -5
Take some paint remover to that round cup covering the worm drive. It should have a model number and a serial number, and probably another number lower down. The latter may be month and year of mfr. All of these numbers are stamped in the metal but can be obfuscated by scratches and bangs.
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sphereguy
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Post by sphereguy on Aug 26, 2018 23:37:02 GMT -5
The saw is probably from 1946 to 1950 saw arbor looks like it’s off an old frantom probably 1950s just an educational guess as there is not much paper trail on frantom s.
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zarguy
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Post by zarguy on Aug 26, 2018 23:59:16 GMT -5
$600 for a Highland Park 16" saw is a great deal. It looks like the front (closest to user) part of the vise is not present. Hopefully you still have that assembly. If not, you may pay $$ to get it. I bought the 14" version of this saw used, and have been slabbing with it for 10 years. Lynn
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