julieooly
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Post by julieooly on Jan 13, 2019 5:41:16 GMT -5
Interesting. Why so much bad publicity about pesticides and herbicides then?
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 13, 2019 14:45:09 GMT -5
Interesting. Why so much bad publicity about pesticides and herbicides then? Things absorbed through foliage and things taken in through the roots of a plant are different, I would suspect. While I don't have hard data or an understanding of botany to support it, I'm fairly sure that the symptoms that went away when I cut my wheat product intake to practically zero (for weight loss) has nothing to do with gluten and everything to do with the roundup sprayed on the wheat right before harvest. I have no idea what that would have to do with pouring Genie rays out into your garden, but I personally don't do it, why take a chance?
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Post by julieooly on Jan 13, 2019 19:20:34 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure that the symptoms that went away when I cut my wheat product intake to practically zero (for weight loss) has nothing to do with gluten Idk about all the chemicals but if you're ever looking for gluten free recipes I'd love to share my cookbook. Both my adult kids are totally gluten free. I built the cookbook with them in mind so probably 90% of its GF. PM me if you're interested. I can bake pies and cookies like nobody's business too. King Arthur "Measure for Measure" Gluten Free Flour, on Amazon usually as an add on for cheaper than the grocery store. It's pricey. Don't confuse it with King Arthur Gluten Free Flour, they're different
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Post by RWA3006 on Jan 13, 2019 19:34:11 GMT -5
What about glutton free recipes? That's what I need.
You might consider tweaking your machine a bit as per what folks have suggested if only for the single reason to reduced wear on bearings, etc.
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Post by julieooly on Jan 14, 2019 10:28:40 GMT -5
What about glutton free recipes? That's what I need. You might consider tweaking your machine a bit as per what folks have suggested if only for the single reason to reduced wear on bearings, etc. Try weightwatchers.com
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Post by toiv0 on Jan 14, 2019 11:18:34 GMT -5
I asked my daughter (horticulture major) if the possible toxins in rock snot is of concern. She said plants will only absorb needed nutrients, as they're extremely efficient and won't waste energy on something they don't need. The chances of toxins being absorbed into the tomatoes is quite small. Not that I’m saying that she is wrong but if plants don’t absorb things they don’t need then how is there a difference between organic and non organic foods? It’s not just about something sprayed on them after harvest it’s about what’s in the soil they are grown in. Please know I’m not trying to argue I just don’t understand. Organic is not necessarily more nutritious. My neighbor does high brix gardening and when you test organically grown vs high brix gardening the latter is constantly testing a higher brix. He doesn't use any chemicals, when grown properly plants will compensate for disease, and bugs.
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Post by toiv0 on Jan 14, 2019 11:37:30 GMT -5
Interesting. Why so much bad publicity about pesticides and herbicides then? Most of the nerve agents used were developed from pesticides. Systemic pesticides are absorbed by the plant through their vascular and is actually inside what your eating and can't be washed off. (remember the Temik in the watermelons in CA) Contact fertilizer kill on contact and are not absorbed, can be washed off. Some of the natural Pyrethiums and Neem oils are reasonably safe. I am in belief that it make no difference what the source is of their nutrients ammonia vs manure. On a side note I know of two organic farms (grow organic hay and organic pintos) who use manure from a huge dairy and a feed lot. They use so much medication and anti biotics I don't know how its called organic. I don't know the half life of these or if a plant can even absorb them. Seems crazy to me. Temik a systemic is also labeled for potatoes, when the potato bug pierces and suck the juice the Temik kills it. Well when you cook the potato they say it will destroy the aldicarb. I used to eat a piece or two of raw potato when peeling or cooking them but not anymore unless I know where they came from.
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Post by johnjsgems on Jan 14, 2019 11:56:47 GMT -5
It is common to have wheel balance and motor shaft balance issues. Diamond Pacific has a machine that straightens the motor shafts before assembly (new motors). Then they install wheels and do the turn wheels until smooth. I think if you turn off machine and wheels stop in same place each time you can find the heavy side (maybe). Most people do as described, turn wheels a little at a time to smooth it out. A warehouse mat under my GyRoc tumblers stopped them from walking when running. Cleaning trays is always good although I ran my Genie until the geysers were trying to suck mud.
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Post by julieooly on Jan 15, 2019 7:15:24 GMT -5
I think it’s the table. When I put the machine in different locations it mostly goes away.
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Post by julieooly on Jan 15, 2019 7:23:07 GMT -5
Thank you for this post. I think it comes back down to the same thing, we just have to decide for ourselves. I’m about 50/50 buying organic vs non organic when it comes to fruits and vegetables. I didn’t do it because of the toxins in them to begin with. I did it because they simply taste better. I’m not a big banana eater but bought a bunch a couple of years ago that were organic. The non organic ones were dark green and I needed them them for house guests. When I ate one I was shocked at the taste. It was delicious!! Then I started switching a little at a strawberries next and they too were delicious. I also happened upon raw chicken by Springer Mountain Farms. It is amazing. I had almost completely stopped making chicken because I wasn’t enjoying the taste, when I switched to SMF I found myself enjoying it again.
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Post by stephan on Jan 15, 2019 23:22:29 GMT -5
I keep coming back to the tomatoes. I'm an avid gardener but perennials and other things vs. vegetables. While the silica content of your rock mud may be good for the plants, the high mineral content of it may be dangerous to you. Depending on what you're cabbing your dust may be toxic. If the vegetables absorb these toxins they may be unsafe to eat. It kind of goes back to bigger isn't always better and organic is probably the way we should be eating. But, minerals are organic! LOL! The whole organic thing is funny. Arsenic is organic, does that mean it's good? I dump my swarf into the landscaping as well. Granted, I do mainly jasper, agate and other silicates, but I think the toxicity thing is, in most cases, overblown. We’ve had a couple of threads on the “toxic” minerals theme, and it always comes down to what form is it? How much of the toxin is there? (How is toxic? How toxic is it?) In most cases, the answer is that it’s not all that bad. In fact, it probably is similar to soil, which is composed chiefly of... (wait for it...) ground up rocks! So it already contains toxins. The questions are: which ones? How much? What form? Where I live, this would include naturally occurring mercury, arsenic, chromium and boron. For starters. Mostly in trace amounts, but they are there. Other people have aluminum, copper, uranium.... The amounts and forms vary. So, unless you’re commonly working with things like chromite, malachite, bumble bee jasper or cinnabar, I would not worry too much. If you are, adding them to the sewer probably isn’t much better than the soil. If you use a lot, maybe save the sludge and take it to the dump on hazardous waste day. Last point — as far as “organic” goes, the scientific definition is basically that any molecule containing carbon is organic. This includes most solvents, superglue, motor oil, plastic and cyanide for starters. Yum. And,yes, most pesticides are organic molecules. Drink up. My $0.02 worth.
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Post by stephan on Jan 16, 2019 0:50:16 GMT -5
Oh! One more thing: some "toxic" minerals are necessary for life. Check the label on a multi-vitamin/mineral sometime. While there's no lead or arsenic (unless it's made in China) it'll likely have copper, chromium, molybdenum, selenium and others. Too much of the essential minerals isn't good (even calcium or iron), but some amount is necessary. Life is very complex. I will have to see if I can find a sheet that I once had that listed all the "ingredients" for an apple. I'll post it if I do. It's pretty astounding.
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Post by parfive on Jan 16, 2019 1:25:30 GMT -5
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Post by stephan on Jan 16, 2019 1:43:09 GMT -5
A perfect illustration of “how much.” Shellfish are filters. I refer to them as “the liver of the bay.” I bet if she worked 12 hours a day with dried, powdered liver, the results would be similar. 😂
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 16, 2019 5:01:39 GMT -5
I keep coming back to the tomatoes. I'm an avid gardener but perennials and other things vs. vegetables. While the silica content of your rock mud may be good for the plants, the high mineral content of it may be dangerous to you. Depending on what you're cabbing your dust may be toxic. If the vegetables absorb these toxins they may be unsafe to eat. It kind of goes back to bigger isn't always better and organic is probably the way we should be eating. But, minerals are organic! LOL! The whole organic thing is funny. Arsenic is organic, does that mean it's good? Not all minerals are organic, which is a misleading term anyway. Minerals in plants are organically bound.
Arsenic is elemental and can form compounds such as being bound to inositol hexaphosphate (phytic acid) in some plant materials forming an organically bound arsenic.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 16, 2019 5:10:37 GMT -5
I asked my daughter (horticulture major) if the possible toxins in rock snot is of concern. She said plants will only absorb needed nutrients, as they're extremely efficient and won't waste energy on something they don't need. The chances of toxins being absorbed into the tomatoes is quite small. Except that is not true. What is toxic to a human is not necessarily toxic to the plant. Many plants such as grindelia are well known for picking up toxic levels of selenium. And brown rice due to the phytic acid in it has been found to often have high levels of arsenic. Many of the wines in California would be illegal to sell under the own law banning items with a certain amount of lead as the grape plants have picked up lead from the soil from many decades of the use of leaded gasoline. The lead gets concentrated in the grapes and further concentrated in the wine. Basically plants can be very efficient in picking up toxic compounds, which is also why some are used in remediation of toxic sites.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 16, 2019 5:22:00 GMT -5
I asked my daughter (horticulture major) if the possible toxins in rock snot is of concern. She said plants will only absorb needed nutrients, as they're extremely efficient and won't waste energy on something they don't need. The chances of toxins being absorbed into the tomatoes is quite small. Not that I’m saying that she is wrong but if plants don’t absorb things they don’t need then how is there a difference between organic and non organic foods? It’s not just about something sprayed on them after harvest it’s about what’s in the soil they are grown in. Please know I’m not trying to argue I just don’t understand. There is a lot of confusion here as the term "organic" means different things depending on how it is used. For example in chemistry it simply means carbon containing and thus a plastic bottle is technically organic.
When it comes to herbs and foods groups like the FDA had to clamp down on the definition since many seller were applying the chemistry definition to their products. So even artificial dyes, preservatives, flavorings, etc. or fruits and vegetables that had been sprayed were being called organic.
As far as herbs and produce the term organic applies to products that have not sprayed or fertilized with synthetic chemicals. And for a farm to certified as an organic farm they must have not used any synthetic chemicals on the land for a certain number of years.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 16, 2019 5:34:18 GMT -5
Interesting. Why so much bad publicity about pesticides and herbicides then? Because they can b highly toxic. For example nicotine is used as an insecticide yet as little as 5mg can kill an adult human.
A common insecticide used back in the 50s was DDT, which has been linked to various cancers. Even though it was eventually banned we are still experiencing problems from DDT since it takes 100 years to break down in the soil and has entered the food chain concentrating mainly in predators.
And most herbicides are very powerful and stable xenoestrogens. These xenoestrogens can be up to hundreds of thousands more powerful that our own human estrogens and can last decades in the soil. As an example look at the compound Agent Orange, which was an herbicide/defoliant sprayed in Vietnam. It contains high levels of the powerful xenoestrogen dioxin linked to various cancers.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 16, 2019 5:39:45 GMT -5
Not that I’m saying that she is wrong but if plants don’t absorb things they don’t need then how is there a difference between organic and non organic foods? It’s not just about something sprayed on them after harvest it’s about what’s in the soil they are grown in. Please know I’m not trying to argue I just don’t understand. Organic is not necessarily more nutritious. My neighbor does high brix gardening and when you test organically grown vs high brix gardening the latter is constantly testing a higher brix. He doesn't use any chemicals, when grown properly plants will compensate for disease, and bugs. Brix is simply a measurement of sugar content. That has nothing to do with grown organic or not. Things like how well things are allowed to ripen or stressing the plants will increase the brix readings.
Organic though is more prone to spoilage since they have higher levels of fungi and bacteria that increase spoilage.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 16, 2019 5:54:11 GMT -5
Oh! One more thing: some "toxic" minerals are necessary for life. Check the label on a multi-vitamin/mineral sometime. While there's no lead or arsenic (unless it's made in China) it'll likely have copper, chromium, molybdenum, selenium and others. Too much of the essential minerals isn't good (even calcium or iron), but some amount is necessary. Life is very complex. I will have to see if I can find a sheet that I once had that listed all the "ingredients" for an apple. I'll post it if I do. It's pretty astounding. It is not just amount but also form. Trivalent chromium for example is essential to health as where hexavalent chromium is extremely toxic.
Also keep in mind that even too much water is toxic and can kill you from water intoxication.
Our bodies are generally pretty good about regulating things such as sodium and calcium levels, water balance, etc.
The whole topic is actually pretty complex. For example sodium is antagonistic to potassium. Calcium and magnesium are antagonistic. Halogens and amino acids compete in the body. Protein blocks proper calcium absorption, which is why milk is actually a very poor source of available calcium. Saponins and some dietary acids in foods can help with absorption of various nutrients. On the other hand oxalic acid, polyphenols, algins, pectins and phytates can all bind certain nutrients or toxic metals in diet...............
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