julieooly
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Post by julieooly on Jan 11, 2019 11:06:08 GMT -5
I've been noticing when I shut down my new CK that it has a tendency to "walk" a considerable amount across my work table. For this reason I always slide it back close to the wall when I shut it down. The final portion of the slow-down is when it moves the most. I wanted to share this with you cause it's a huge safety concern. My arms are short so I work with it relatively close to the front edge of the table and should it walk far enough it could certainly fall off. I've considered adding a thick lip to the edge of the surface. It's laminate so I don't really want to drill it. First thing that comes to mind is using clamps to hold it while I decide if I like it. Good idea eh?
As for other things I've learned this week, it's important to clean out the rock dust in the trays every once in a while. I hadn't been cleaning them out since the weather got cold. Yesterday my tray wasn't draining properly and when I checked the drain tube I found it to be compacted with mud, almost 2' worth. It was an easy but messy fix, with a bucket at the sink but probably wouldn't happened if I kept the trays clean. The easiest way to clean the trays is to let them dry out and use a flat putty knife.
A word of caution when discarding your wastewater also. As a seasoned tumbler I already knew that pouring or flushing out wastewater is really bad for your plumbing system. When it's too cold to pour outside I typically let the bucket sit overnight to let the junk settle, then I pour out the top 3/4 and flush it down the toilet. This is a good trick for tumbling waste also. When there gets to be too much junk in the bottom of the bucket, I just set it aside and use a new bucket. My workshop is in the basement and the dehumidifer is always running, so placing the bucket near to it helps it dry out faster. I also use cat litter buckets so I don't have to buy them.
I also had the brilliant idea to heat my supply water with a fish-tank heater. If you place the heater in your supply bucket overnight it takes the chill off the water by morning. I keep a bucket of clean water right next to the supply so I don't have to grab the hose so often and this water is also considerably warmer after sitting overnight. I suppose if you live in an area where it's really cold, and work long enough to use a full bucket you could have two heaters, or a bigger bucket.
I'm not really impressed with the way the drain tubes attach to the machine. I find the little clamps to be crappy, and even after tightening or loosening them I really don't trust them. I'm considering doing some modification to what they have, with better connections and larger more heavy duty tubing. If you have any ideas about this I'd love to hear them.
The little white Y's that the water sprays out of have a tendency to fall off also.
All that considered I absolutely love my new CK. I did some cabbing on my Lortone LU6x and got pretty good results after changing out the wheel to a rubber one that didn't need to come off to change the belts. Oh and I upgraded the belts to diamond and those were super too. It's a cool machine for a beginner or enthusiast but a real dinosaur and pain in the butt changing belts. Saw works great.
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rads
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Post by rads on Jan 11, 2019 13:03:13 GMT -5
You can try adding a hand rest to the front edge which is wider than the base and screw it down on both sides. It would stop the walking and give you a place to rest your hands while working. The rest is not wood. It is the recycled plastic lumber. This is my 2 SA-8's which had the same problem. With cabbing in water, we just feed the silt to the garden. Even in the winter, it get put in and tilled under the spring. Plants love it and our tomatoes are huge with massive stems (silica is needed for stem and cell strength). It gets fed to most every plant and tree in my yard. A friend took some of it and used it to make a glaze for his pottery kiln. It didn't come out as well as he wanted, but he keeps coming back for more. My 2 cents: I would be careful about putting any slurry down the toilet as there is an s-trap in the base that could fill and require the toilet to be replaced.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 11, 2019 13:17:07 GMT -5
It sounds like you have one or more wheels out of balance. If it's on one side of the machine it will probably vibrate/walk more on that side. You could try loosening the wheel attachment nut on the suspected side, turning one wheel maybe 1/4 turn, tightening back down, and running it to see if you get improvement. Repeat until you find the best arrangement, maybe mark the wheels first for reference and to remember what you've done. Thin soft or foam rubber under the feet may eliminate the "walking" too. Is your table flat? If not that could be part of the problem.
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Post by fishnpinball on Jan 11, 2019 13:20:19 GMT -5
I don't have a cabking but would suspect walking when slowing down is not normal. Probably a little out of balance. Got beat to the punch on that.
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Post by parfive on Jan 11, 2019 13:21:00 GMT -5
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 11, 2019 13:28:34 GMT -5
You can try adding a hand rest to the front edge which is wider than the base and screw it down on both sides. It would stop the walking and give you a place to rest your hands while working. The rest is not wood. It is the recycled plastic lumber. This is my 2 SA-8's which had the same problem. With cabbing in water, we just feed the silt to the garden. Even in the winter, it get put in and tilled under the spring. Plants love it and our tomatoes are huge with massive stems (silica is needed for stem and cell strength). It gets fed to most every plant and tree in my yard. A friend took some of it and used it to make a glaze for his pottery kiln. It didn't come out as well as he wanted, but he keeps coming back for more. My 2 cents: I would be careful about putting any slurry down the toilet as there is an s-trap in the base that could fill and require the toilet to be replaced. rads the expando in your pic that I can see the edge on is installed backwards. The slots should angle forward in the direction of rotation so that centrifugal force will cause it to expand.
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Post by lpl on Jan 11, 2019 13:39:33 GMT -5
It sounds like you have one or more wheels out of balance. If it's on one side of the machine it will probably vibrate/walk more on that side. You could try loosening the wheel attachment nut on the suspected side, turning one wheel maybe 1/4 turn, tightening back down, and running it to see if you get improvement. Repeat until you find the best arrangement, maybe mark the wheels first for reference and to remember what you've done. Thin soft or foam rubber under the feet may eliminate the "walking" too. Is your table flat? If not that could be part of the problem. I think this is true. I have a CabKing as well and when its spinning and slowing/stopping I don't even know its running. I'd check your wheel balance!
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rads
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Post by rads on Jan 11, 2019 14:31:08 GMT -5
You can try adding a hand rest to the front edge which is wider than the base and screw it down on both sides. It would stop the walking and give you a place to rest your hands while working. The rest is not wood. It is the recycled plastic lumber. This is my 2 SA-8's which had the same problem. With cabbing in water, we just feed the silt to the garden. Even in the winter, it get put in and tilled under the spring. Plants love it and our tomatoes are huge with massive stems (silica is needed for stem and cell strength). It gets fed to most every plant and tree in my yard. A friend took some of it and used it to make a glaze for his pottery kiln. It didn't come out as well as he wanted, but he keeps coming back for more. My 2 cents: I would be careful about putting any slurry down the toilet as there is an s-trap in the base that could fill and require the toilet to be replaced. rads the expando in your pic that I can see the edge on is installed backwards. The slots should angle forward in the direction of rotation so that centrifugal force will cause it to expand. I'm using up a batch of slightly smaller belts for an older type aluminium expando drum (cake pan style) Had to swap the wheels that way to get them on and not lose money having more of the smaller size belts sitting around. Good eye....but, it's intentional.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 11, 2019 15:43:11 GMT -5
With Genie it's a wheel balance issue, so I'm gonna assume it's the same for the CK.
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Post by pauls on Jan 11, 2019 15:47:29 GMT -5
The vibration sounds like a balance issue for sure, check the sideways wobble of your wheels, if this is the problem it should be obvious at around the speed your machine starts walking. If you find a wheel that wobbles get a pencil and hold it near enough to the side so it marks the high spot but not all the way around. turn the machine off and loosen the end nut net, get a bit of paper (around a square inch will do) and pack under the back of the wheel on the opposite side to your high spot. repeat the process as necessary. You may need to use two thicknesses if its really bad or get a thin bit of tissue if its not too bad. If it's not sideways wobble then do the rotating the wheels a quarter turn thing, you may have wheels that are slightly heavier on one side than the other, rotating them gets the heavy side on one opposite the heavy side on another, I don't know any accurate way to do this balancing it's mostly just hit and miss.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 11, 2019 15:50:31 GMT -5
The vibration sounds like a balance issue for sure, check the sideways wobble of your wheels, if this is the problem it should be obvious at around the speed your machine starts walking. If you find a wheel that wobbles get a pencil and hold it near enough to the side so it marks the high spot but not all the way around. turn the machine off and loosen the end nut net, get a bit of paper (around a square inch will do) and pack under the back of the wheel on the opposite side to your high spot. repeat the process as necessary. You may need to use two thicknesses if its really bad or get a thin bit of tissue if its not too bad. If it's not sideways wobble then do the rotating the wheels a quarter turn thing, you may have wheels that are slightly heavier on one side than the other, rotating them gets the heavy side on one opposite the heavy side on another, I don't know any accurate way to do this balancing it's mostly just hit and miss. I had a slight vibration problem with the wheels and tried to fix it by moving it a slight turn at a time. It was tedious. Eventually, I gave up and learned to live with it until I got a new wheel.
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julieooly
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Post by julieooly on Jan 12, 2019 8:20:44 GMT -5
My 2 cents: I would be careful about putting any slurry down the toilet as there is an s-trap in the base that could fill and require the toilet to be replaced. My basement plumbing works on a pump system. Does the settling overnight and pouring off only the top 75% not seem good enough? I can always fill up more buckets and dump them when the weather is nice. It's not so much the cold but sometimes it rains here for a week at a time.
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Post by julieooly on Jan 12, 2019 8:22:17 GMT -5
Is your table flat? If not that could be part of the problem. Yes but I'll throw a level on it today. I wanted it to tilt slightly backward as the trays don't drain as quick as I'd like them too sometimes. But maybe that's because they were clogged with mud.
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Post by julieooly on Jan 12, 2019 10:09:09 GMT -5
With cabbing in water, we just feed the silt to the garden. Even in the winter, it get put in and tilled under the spring. Plants love it and our tomatoes are huge with massive stems (silica is needed for stem and cell strength). It gets fed to most every plant and tree in my yard. A friend took some of it and used it to make a glaze for his pottery kiln. It didn't come out as well as he wanted, but he keeps coming back for more. My 2 cents: I would be careful about putting any slurry down the toilet as there is an s-trap in the base that could fill and require the toilet to be replaced. I keep coming back to the tomatoes. I'm an avid gardener but perennials and other things vs. vegetables. While the silica content of your rock mud may be good for the plants, the high mineral content of it may be dangerous to you. Depending on what you're cabbing your dust may be toxic. If the vegetables absorb these toxins they may be unsafe to eat. It kind of goes back to bigger isn't always better and organic is probably the way we should be eating.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 12, 2019 10:14:09 GMT -5
With cabbing in water, we just feed the silt to the garden. Even in the winter, it get put in and tilled under the spring. Plants love it and our tomatoes are huge with massive stems (silica is needed for stem and cell strength). It gets fed to most every plant and tree in my yard. A friend took some of it and used it to make a glaze for his pottery kiln. It didn't come out as well as he wanted, but he keeps coming back for more. My 2 cents: I would be careful about putting any slurry down the toilet as there is an s-trap in the base that could fill and require the toilet to be replaced. I keep coming back to the tomatoes. I'm an avid gardener but perennials and other things vs. vegetables. While the silica content of your rock mud may be good for the plants, the high mineral content of it may be dangerous to you. Depending on what you're cabbing your dust may be toxic. If the vegetables absorb these toxins they may be unsafe to eat. It kind of goes back to bigger isn't always better and organic is probably the way we should be eating. But, minerals are organic! LOL! The whole organic thing is funny. Arsenic is organic, does that mean it's good?
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Post by NDK on Jan 12, 2019 10:28:25 GMT -5
I asked my daughter (horticulture major) if the possible toxins in rock snot is of concern. She said plants will only absorb needed nutrients, as they're extremely efficient and won't waste energy on something they don't need. The chances of toxins being absorbed into the tomatoes is quite small.
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Post by julieooly on Jan 12, 2019 17:00:16 GMT -5
I asked my daughter (horticulture major) if the possible toxins in rock snot is of concern. She said plants will only absorb needed nutrients, as they're extremely efficient and won't waste energy on something they don't need. The chances of toxins being absorbed into the tomatoes is quite small. Not that I’m saying that she is wrong but if plants don’t absorb things they don’t need then how is there a difference between organic and non organic foods? It’s not just about something sprayed on them after harvest it’s about what’s in the soil they are grown in. Please know I’m not trying to argue I just don’t understand.
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Jan 12, 2019 17:19:45 GMT -5
Yeah, my cabking doesn't walk, so it must be a problem of yours. Hope you figure it out and get it fixed, that would be really annoying. Mine does, however, have problems with the set screw for the right hand set of wheels - not a solid design, and the CK engineers couldn't help me other than to say "screw it in tighter". Might modify it someday. Also the drainage - I was worried about those little clamps too, but they're still good and tight, several years later. There's really no force on them, so they don't need to be strong. The angle of drainage is bad though - they have it set so your hose has go go straight back, it can't angle downward. In fact, because of the material the drain tubing is made from, it wants to bow up before turning down over the back of the table. I fixed this problem by drilling a slot in the table behind the unit so the tube can go out the back of the tray and then cruise down through the table at a nice angle to the bucket. Mine's an IKEA table (hollow, haha), so that was easy. Oh, and I don't think I've ever cleaned the trays - enough gunk seems to wash down to avoid plugging up. Maybe yours came with smaller tubing - mine is 3/4" or so tubing, so hard to clog that.
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Post by julieooly on Jan 12, 2019 17:53:46 GMT -5
Yeah, my cabking doesn't walk, so it must be a problem of yours. Hope you figure it out and get it fixed, that would be really annoying. Mine does, however, have problems with the set screw for the right hand set of wheels - not a solid design, and the CK engineers couldn't help me other than to say "screw it in tighter". Might modify it someday. Also the drainage - I was worried about those little clamps too, but they're still good and tight, several years later. There's really no force on them, so they don't need to be strong. The angle of drainage is bad though - they have it set so your hose has go go straight back, it can't angle downward. In fact, because of the material the drain tubing is made from, it wants to bow up before turning down over the back of the table. I fixed this problem by drilling a slot in the table behind the unit so the tube can go out the back of the tray and then cruise down through the table at a nice angle to the bucket. Mine's an IKEA table (hollow, haha), so that was easy. Oh, and I don't think I've ever cleaned the trays - enough gunk seems to wash down to avoid plugging up. Maybe yours came with smaller tubing - mine is 3/4" or so tubing, so hard to clog that. My tubing is also 3/4” and yes the little clamps may be ok if you don’t move your machine. My machine moves by itself. Easiest thing for me to do without making adjustments to it would simply be to remain at the machine until the wheels stop. I did move it to a different spot on the table and it seems to walk less now. I work sitting down typically doing batches of stones vs one at a time. It’s nice to sit very centered on the wheels. I could really use a stool with wheels but what I typically do is just move the machine a bit here and there rather than moving myself. I’m also experimenting with the distance from the edge of the table to the tray. I think maybe closer is better on 1/2/3 and a little further back on 4/5/6. I’ll have to watch what I do. To combat the slow draining tray I prop a little wedge between the tray and the base of the machine periodically. Works nicely.
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Post by NDK on Jan 12, 2019 21:30:26 GMT -5
I asked my daughter (horticulture major) if the possible toxins in rock snot is of concern. She said plants will only absorb needed nutrients, as they're extremely efficient and won't waste energy on something they don't need. The chances of toxins being absorbed into the tomatoes is quite small. Not that I’m saying that she is wrong but if plants don’t absorb things they don’t need then how is there a difference between organic and non organic foods? It’s not just about something sprayed on them after harvest it’s about what’s in the soil they are grown in. Please know I’m not trying to argue I just don’t understand. The difference between non organic & organic is what form the nutrients are in. For example you can get nitrogen from manure or ammonia.
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