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Post by rockbrain on Sept 4, 2022 17:12:18 GMT -5
I did patina on about 24 wraps today! I really like the color I'm getting out of some of them. I need to experiment more with what I'm adding to the liver of sulfur and how hot I'm making that water. All of these are copper wire with liver of sulfur.
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Post by jasoninsd on Sept 4, 2022 17:36:55 GMT -5
Really nice color on the patina on those!!
What's your cleaning process after you take it out of the LOS for the last time?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 17:44:42 GMT -5
Wow! Those all look great! Is the first a tumbled stone? Does anyone else see the alien skull in the last one? I really like the colors on the last one.
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Post by rockbrain on Sept 4, 2022 18:24:43 GMT -5
Thanks, jasoninsd the final time out of the LOS I swish it in fresh water and then neutralize in a bowl with water and baking soda. This time all the cleanup and buffing was done with the Dremel tool and flex shaft with cheap 1" radial bristle discs from Amazon. I used the white 2000 grit. Thanks ashley the first one is a cab I ground for the inside curve cab contest. I made several and then picked a different one to enter. I think I see the alien skull up at the top now that you pointed it out. I really like those colors too. I think it's Chapenite Jasper according to an ID from Bravura Cabochon Designs It's mostly browns but some of the brown tones are really cool, then anywhere that there is the blue color is a bonus. It polishes real nice too. Really shiny coming of the wheels before you even polish. |
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Post by rockbrain on Sept 4, 2022 18:27:57 GMT -5
Really nice color on the patina on those!! What's your cleaning process after you take it out of the LOS for the last time? Some of the colors are almost a little much in the right light. In the 4th pic, the long rectangle agate, you can see some magenta in the curls at the top. There is quite a bit of that shows up under my bench light. There's actually a couple iridescent colors on this one. |
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Post by realrockhound on Sept 4, 2022 19:30:05 GMT -5
Damn dude….. those are great!!!
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Post by susand24224 on Sept 4, 2022 20:44:15 GMT -5
Interesting group you've got there. The patina process fascinates me--the only part I've been able to "standardize" is that it seems if both the water is super hot and the copper is at least warm, I get more silver. Are you adding anything to the LOS? Would you mind elaborating on your procedure?
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Post by liveoak on Sept 5, 2022 6:08:47 GMT -5
That popper jasper wrap looks better yet (if that was possible).
Patty
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 5, 2022 6:43:03 GMT -5
They look nice- I especially like the 5th one with patina.  |
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Post by khara on Sept 22, 2022 19:19:20 GMT -5
I did patina on about 24 wraps today! I really like the color I'm getting out of some of them. I need to experiment more with what I'm adding to the liver of sulfur and how hot I'm making that water. All of these are copper wire with liver of sulfur.
Very nice. It looks like you don't have any issue with the patina affecting the stone? No discoloration? I've been wondering about this with soft stones or ones with recesses or druzy areas.
Also, have you been doing this long enough to know how the patina lasts over time? Does it change to the point where it's no longer desirable and does using a polishing cloth then remove the patina back to bare copper? |
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Post by rockbrain on Sept 22, 2022 20:38:18 GMT -5
I haven't seen any issues with any of the stones. My wife kept saying that one I did lost some of it's shine. I got another cab of the same material. Dunked half in the LOS for a while then neutralized it. She couldn't tell which side was done.
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Post by rockbrain on Sept 22, 2022 20:39:35 GMT -5
I haven't seen any issues with any of the stones. My wife kept saying that one I did lost some of it's shine. I got another cab of the same material. Dunked half in the LOS for a while then neutralized it. She couldn't tell which side was done.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Sept 22, 2022 21:32:15 GMT -5
khara I use a cheap paintbrush and brush it on the wires until I get the color I want. I tend to do that instead of dunking the whole thing in the LOS, just in case. 
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 22, 2022 21:43:10 GMT -5
I guess I'm the odd one out. I dunk the whole stone. The only time it is an issue is when the stone is metallic- like native silver or copper brick. Those will patina.
I have also never one time neutralized the LOS. There are those who do, but I don't. I never learned it, so I don't do it and don't see it as a problem.
I store wraps in zip lock bags. I have copper pieces that are 15 years old. They do lose their shine and oxidate a little, but a polishing cloth brings them right back.
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Post by pebblesky on Sept 22, 2022 22:03:45 GMT -5
So beautiful! What type is the rock in the last picture?
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Post by drocknut on Oct 2, 2022 17:23:44 GMT -5
Definitely looking great. You definitely have using LOS down pat. Good for you. I just hate the smell of LOS so I don't use it that much on my wraps although most of my wraps tend to be silver or gold. When I do use LOS to patina something I use a product called "Renaissance Wax" on it after polishing to protect it. I don't know how much it helps but was told it was a good final step in the patina process.
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Post by khara on Jan 8, 2023 3:17:46 GMT -5
I guess I'm the odd one out. I dunk the whole stone. The only time it is an issue is when the stone is metallic- like native silver or copper brick. Those will patina.
I have also never one time neutralized the LOS. There are those who do, but I don't. I never learned it, so I don't do it and don't see it as a problem.
I store wraps in zip lock bags. I have copper pieces that are 15 years old. They do lose their shine and oxidate a little, but a polishing cloth brings them right back.
I just found this conversation again. I’ve played around with patina a little since this started. It’s nice to have progress. But I was wondering about stones like hematite and pyrite. It seems patina/LOS would affect those? Also soft stones? Particularly light ones like Howlite. I wonder if they would absorb the chemical and maybe retain it and does that cause any problems or discoloration? I will do some tests when I can. I don’t have those materials right now but was looking at buying some and then wondered if I’d end up having trouble with patina-ing settings for them. |
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 8, 2023 6:51:28 GMT -5
I guess I'm the odd one out. I dunk the whole stone. The only time it is an issue is when the stone is metallic- like native silver or copper brick. Those will patina.
I have also never one time neutralized the LOS. There are those who do, but I don't. I never learned it, so I don't do it and don't see it as a problem.
I store wraps in zip lock bags. I have copper pieces that are 15 years old. They do lose their shine and oxidate a little, but a polishing cloth brings them right back.
I just found this conversation again. I’ve played around with patina a little since this started. It’s nice to have progress. But I was wondering about stones like hematite and pyrite. It seems patina/LOS would affect those? Also soft stones? Particularly light ones like Howlite. I wonder if they would absorb the chemical and maybe retain it and does that cause any problems or discoloration? I will do some tests when I can. I don’t have those materials right now but was looking at buying some and then wondered if I’d end up having trouble with patina-ing settings for them. Hematite and pyrite are fine. The only things I've had trouble with, like I said, are native silver and native copper stones. I'm not sure if I have done howlite, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it. I have done soft stones, but whatever they may have absorbed didn't effect them. |
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Post by jasoninsd on Jan 8, 2023 6:56:40 GMT -5
I guess I'm the odd one out. I dunk the whole stone. The only time it is an issue is when the stone is metallic- like native silver or copper brick. Those will patina.
I have also never one time neutralized the LOS. There are those who do, but I don't. I never learned it, so I don't do it and don't see it as a problem.
I store wraps in zip lock bags. I have copper pieces that are 15 years old. They do lose their shine and oxidate a little, but a polishing cloth brings them right back.
I just found this conversation again. I’ve played around with patina a little since this started. It’s nice to have progress. But I was wondering about stones like hematite and pyrite. It seems patina/LOS would affect those? Also soft stones? Particularly light ones like Howlite. I wonder if they would absorb the chemical and maybe retain it and does that cause any problems or discoloration? I will do some tests when I can. I don’t have those materials right now but was looking at buying some and then wondered if I’d end up having trouble with patina-ing settings for them. I've noticed Batcave Jasper will absorb water when I'm working it on the wheels...so personally, there's NO way I'd put it in LOS. I could be totally off, but I do think any kind of "porous" rock will get affected if put in LOS...and I've yet to put it to the test... |
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Post by jasoninsd on Jan 8, 2023 6:58:27 GMT -5
I just found this conversation again. I’ve played around with patina a little since this started. It’s nice to have progress. But I was wondering about stones like hematite and pyrite. It seems patina/LOS would affect those? Also soft stones? Particularly light ones like Howlite. I wonder if they would absorb the chemical and maybe retain it and does that cause any problems or discoloration? I will do some tests when I can. I don’t have those materials right now but was looking at buying some and then wondered if I’d end up having trouble with patina-ing settings for them. Hematite and pyrite are fine. The only things I've had trouble with, like I said, are native silver and native copper stones. I'm not sure if I have done howlite, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it. I have done soft stones, but whatever they may have absorbed didn't effect them. Tela, thanks for chiming in. I'm way too nervous trying it with Batcave...which is why I haven't wrapped any yet. I think they'd look "off" wrapped in silver. |
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