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Post by dirtsifter on Oct 15, 2022 4:42:00 GMT -5
I see many suggestions for cleaning between rocks between grit changes, which I do. Many suggest ivory soap. Why Ivory over say dish soap? Just curious
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 15, 2022 7:51:58 GMT -5
Maybe because it's 99.9% pure?
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Post by jimgsmith on Oct 15, 2022 8:12:01 GMT -5
Maybe because it's 99.9% pure? Not to quibble, but i think its 99 44/100. 😉
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Post by vegasjames on Oct 15, 2022 9:40:54 GMT -5
Yes, purity. No dyes or perfumes.
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Post by vance71975 on Oct 15, 2022 11:24:50 GMT -5
I dunno why, I use either Borax and Dawn or Borax and Zote Bar Laundry soap.
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Post by dirtsifter on Oct 16, 2022 6:10:00 GMT -5
Ivory soap does have fragrance, even the original. Is there a scientific reason or lore?
I make soap, there are so many do's and don'ts in the soap making world that do not hold up to facts.
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Post by nursetumbler on Oct 16, 2022 8:05:29 GMT -5
I don't know anything but that I am allergic to Ivory soap. I use borax. I seen a post from a Member from Scotland that says he uses pharmaceutical grade (didn't know there was a difference) because whatever it is smaller microns and it gets into the cracks better
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Post by HankRocks on Oct 16, 2022 8:31:03 GMT -5
I was told years ago that because Ivory Soap is pure with none of the added chemicals that might negatively affect the rubber tumbler barrels and lid liners. Not sure that is true but I have gone with that theory. I use Borax to help the Ivory Soap work as it reduces surface tension. I only do a soap run after the polish stage. Used to do one between 600 Sic and AO prepolish. Tested not doing that and noticed absolutely no difference, hence my theory that grit contamination is over-rated.
Might add that I have yet to replace a Thumlers Model B barrel after years of almost continuous use. They were all used machines when I bought them so not certain how many miles they had on them.
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Post by vance71975 on Oct 16, 2022 17:16:46 GMT -5
Ivory soap does have fragrance, even the original. Is there a scientific reason or lore? I make soap, there are so many do's and don'ts in the soap making world that do not hold up to facts. Wow, I Make Soap As well! I have been considering making a batch of Pure Coconut Oil Soap at 0% super fat just to use for Burnishing stage.
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Post by electrocutus on Oct 16, 2022 17:32:49 GMT -5
I was told years ago that because Ivory Soap is pure with none of the added chemicals that might negatively affect the rubber tumbler barrels and lid liners. Not sure that is true but I have gone with that theory. I use Borax to help the Ivory Soap work as it reduces surface tension. I only do a soap run after the polish stage. Used to do one between 600 Sic and AO prepolish. Tested not doing that and noticed absolutely no difference, hence my theory that grit contamination is over-rated. Might add that I have yet to replace a Thumlers Model B barrel after years of almost continuous use. They were all used machines when I bought them so not certain how many miles they had on them. I think that grit contamination is likely a potential issue only in the early stages, and ONLY IF grit that has not been "ground down" and is stuck, still sharp, in the rock crevasses. If the rocks are fiarly smooth and the cycle has run its course properly, I would expect that the grit has completely ground down and would not scratch the rocks anymore. Running the rocks in the barrel for at least a few hours does a really good cleaning of the barrel too, not just the rocks.
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Post by dirtsifter on Oct 16, 2022 20:13:41 GMT -5
Ivory soap does have fragrance, even the original. Is there a scientific reason or lore? I make soap, there are so many do's and don'ts in the soap making world that do not hold up to facts. Wow, I Make Soap As well! I have been considering making a batch of Pure Coconut Oil Soap at 0% super fat just to use for Burnishing stage. IMHO 3% lye discount or 3% superfat whichever you wish to call it would be a safety margin to prevent being lye heavy especially in a small batch. I thought about it but a small squirt of dish soap is easier. If you try it, let me know. Curious to see if bubbles would be forced out of the barrel as pure coconut soap can lather even in sea water. I use higher percentage of coconut in soaps for my customers who have very hard water.
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Post by dirtsifter on Oct 16, 2022 20:16:56 GMT -5
I don't know anything but that I am allergic to Ivory soap. I use borax. I seen a post from a Member from Scotland that says he uses pharmaceutical grade (didn't know there was a difference) because whatever it is smaller microns and it gets into the cracks better I wonder what the fat is in "pharmaceutical grade" soap
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Post by Pat on Oct 16, 2022 20:18:44 GMT -5
Maybe because it's 99.9% pure? Not to quibble, but i think its 99 44/100. 😉 Pure WHAT??
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Post by nursetumbler on Oct 16, 2022 20:29:42 GMT -5
I don't know anything but that I am allergic to Ivory soap. I use borax. I seen a post from a Member from Scotland that says he uses pharmaceutical grade (didn't know there was a difference) because whatever it is smaller microns and it gets into the cracks better I wonder what the fat is in "pharmaceutical grade" soap dirtsifter I am sorry but I am lost about what you said.
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Post by vance71975 on Oct 16, 2022 20:59:30 GMT -5
Wow, I Make Soap As well! I have been considering making a batch of Pure Coconut Oil Soap at 0% super fat just to use for Burnishing stage. IMHO 3% lye discount or 3% superfat whichever you wish to call it would be a safety margin to prevent being lye heavy especially in a small batch. I thought about it but a small squirt of dish soap is easier. If you try it, let me know. Curious to see if bubbles would be forced out of the barrel as pure coconut soap can lather even in sea water. I use higher percentage of coconut in soaps for my customers who have very hard water. True, I would be doing a 4 or 8lb batch depending on which mold I use, But I would also use some to make Homemade laundy soap. I wouldnt worry too much about the bubbles because I would only be using a nickle size piece. I have used Zote, which is bar laundry soap that foamed A LOT but didnt come out so not too worried. I honestly would end up about 1/4 to 3/4% lye discount, I normally round UP the oil amount and round down the lye amount on all soap I make just as an added precaution.
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Post by dirtsifter on Oct 16, 2022 22:29:31 GMT -5
I wonder what the fat is in "pharmaceutical grade" soap dirtsifter I am sorry but I am lost about what you said. Soap is made by reacting fats and oils with lye (sodium hydroxide for bar soap). Those fats and oils, i.e. beef tallow, lard, coconut, palm, palm kernel, olive ,soy , etc all have different types of fatty acid chains which gives the resulting soap different properties.(bubbly, foamy, cleansing, conditioning, etc) acid+base=salt. In this case, the salt is called soap My question of wonder is what type of fat/oil is used to make "pharmaceutical grade soap" I have not heard that term before. Just me wondering out loud. LOL. Fun fact: Ever see lye in a commercial bar soap list of ingredients? You won't. The ingredients label lists the fat after it has been reacted with lye so tallow becomes tallowate. If the ingredient ends with ..ate., that's a fat that has been reacted with lye. The process is called saponification. Ivory soap is little different than any other brand. Such a rabbit hole, eh?
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Post by vance71975 on Oct 16, 2022 23:06:32 GMT -5
dirtsifter I am sorry but I am lost about what you said. Soap is made by reacting fats and oils with lye (sodium hydroxide for bar soap). Those fats and oils, i.e. beef tallow, lard, coconut, palm, palm kernel, olive ,soy , etc all have different types of fatty acid chains which gives the resulting soap different properties.(bubbly, foamy, cleansing, conditioning, etc) acid+base=salt. In this case, the salt is called soap My question of wonder is what type of fat/oil is used to make "pharmaceutical grade soap" I have not heard that term before. Just me wondering out loud. LOL. Fun fact: Ever see lye in a commercial bar soap list of ingredients? You won't. The ingredients label lists the fat after it has been reacted with lye so tallow becomes tallowate. If the ingredient ends with ..ate., that's a fat that has been reacted with lye. The process is called saponification. Ivory soap is little different than any other brand. Such a rabbit hole, eh? Well, I think any soap made with pharmaceutical Grade sodium hydroxide and Organic Oils would likely come as close to pharmaceutical Grade soap as you can get. On the other hand One might say that any soap made without any additives or fragrances might count as pharmaceutical Grade soap.
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Post by Pat on Oct 16, 2022 23:33:18 GMT -5
99.9% pure WHAT??
Or 99.44% pure WHAT??
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Post by vance71975 on Oct 16, 2022 23:56:21 GMT -5
99.9% pure WHAT?? Or 99.44% pure WHAT?? Pure soap. Various Lye grades can have various impuritys in them which get left in the soap, as can cheaper grade oils. pharmaceutical Grade lye is 99.9% Pure sodium hydroxide. Food Grade Cooking Oils are normally 99% Pure. Combine the 2 with water in the right amounts and you get a very pure soap with no colors,fragrances,etc.
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Post by dirtsifter on Oct 17, 2022 1:08:44 GMT -5
99.9% pure WHAT?? Or 99.44% pure WHAT?? Malarkey LOL
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