valorguy
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Post by valorguy on Jan 28, 2023 15:30:13 GMT -5
New here and looking to get some specific ideas.
I have a Covington Wizard trim saw - 6". My issue is not leaving the saw in water or cleaning it up every time I use it for rust issues, it's being able to get this saw to "pick up" the water/lube mix and not foam up a lot (I need to see what I'm cutting lol).
I have tried the Covington water additive, but my blades tear up easily just using that. I have also tried Kingsley North Slick Lube - it foams up too much to use.
Any ideas on what to use? I am not sure how to order Smokey's EX cut. I am also ordering Gem Lube form KN.
Thank you in advance
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khara
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Post by khara on Jan 28, 2023 16:59:55 GMT -5
My trim saw uses an oil mix, not a water based lubricant, that a local lapidary shop makes, their own brand. The saw picks it up just fine, a little too well maybe because I have a hard time seeing through the splatter on the plexiglass guards. My saw sat unused for about 9-10 years and the oil was still good. No issues with the blade or oil, I just started using it again after such a long time.
I’ve been researching an oil to change to because the stuff I have is a little stinky, maybe a lapidary specific mineral oil. Your comment about the Kingsley North product foaming up is interesting because I was considering their products. It’ll be interesting to see if you get some of the same responses here in your trim saw question as I recently got when I asked about oil for my rock/slab saw. I was mostly thinking of an oil but the idea of water base came up as maybe an option.
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Post by opalpyrexia on Jan 28, 2023 17:32:43 GMT -5
I use a couple of drops of Jet Dry in my Ameritool trim saw. I usually have no foaming or only a little. When I do have foaming it's because I added a little too much.
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Post by jasoninsd on Jan 28, 2023 20:23:59 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum from South Dakota!  I think Gary's method of Jet Dry is likely the best...and LEAST costly of all the options... |
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Post by liveoak on Jan 29, 2023 7:51:59 GMT -5
valorguy, I use KN Gem Lube in my 10" saw & it works fine, no foaming or anything, and no rust problems. In my 7" tile saw I use just water since first it's pretty messy,
and second I'm not leaving the water in that tray so it would seem a waste.
What does it do ?
Are you using it in addition to something else or just Jet Dry ?
And am I right that Jet Dry is the dishwasher additive ??
Curious minds need to know
Patty
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2023 8:25:58 GMT -5
New here and looking to get some specific ideas. I have a Covington Wizard trim saw - 6". My issue is not leaving the saw in water or cleaning it up every time I use it for rust issues, it's being able to get this saw to "pick up" the water/lube mix and not foam up a lot (I need to see what I'm cutting lol). I have tried the Covington water additive, but my blades tear up easily just using that. I have also tried Kingsley North Slick Lube - it foams up too much to use. Any ideas on what to use? I am not sure how to order Smokey's EX cut. I am also ordering Gem Lube form KN. Thank you in advance All of those additives from what I have seen do not prevent rust. They all seem to just be a surfactant like Jet-Dry. The only solution to preventing rust on a saw that you are using with water is to drain it after each use, dry it, take the blade off and put a little oil on the blade to protect it until the next time you use it. |
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 29, 2023 13:43:23 GMT -5
I have used the JB additive, but the most recent batches appear to like to froth up annoyingly. Might be the more alkaline water here in AZ? Maybe I can add a tiny smidgeon of the PH down swimming pool stuff I have for silver pickle and see if it helps.
My ancient 6" HP trim saw has no drain, so I only dump the water when it's time to clean. I have never had rust issues, even on the rare occasion when it sits idle for weeks. The 4" tiny trim uses straight water, and I dump it after use most of the time but never oil the blade, also no rust but I think the thin plated blades I use might have more than average nickel in the alloy or something.
Saw a "home made jet dry" article when I searched, they just used hydrogen peroxide with a few drops of essential lemon oil. Too lazy to check if ho is a surfactant. I wonder if basic H might be good, but afraid to find a seller and deal with the MLM.
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Post by opalpyrexia on Jan 29, 2023 13:44:11 GMT -5
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What does it do ?
Are you using it in addition to something else or just Jet Dry ?
And am I right that Jet Dry is the dishwasher additive ??
Curious minds need to know
Patty
All of those additives from what I have seen do not prevent rust. They all seem to just be a surfactant like Jet-Dry. The only solution to preventing rust on a saw that you are using with water is to drain it after each use, dry it, take the blade off and put a little oil on the blade to protect it until the next time you use it.
As Currently Rockhounding said, Jet Dry is a surfactant. Because the water molecule has polarity, meaning one side is positive and the other is negative, water "likes itself". That's why water will ball up on many non-polar surfaces — like metal and diamond. Jet Dry acts to, in the words of an old commercial, "make water wetter" and enable it to better lubricate and cool our trim saws.
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stefan
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Post by stefan on Jan 29, 2023 14:11:35 GMT -5
I have never had any foaming issues. I use my secret patented formula. Just cause I'm a nice guy I will share my recipe. Take a tray full of my well water and add just a little (1/2 teaspoon) of good old 20 Mule Team Borax. Yup thats it. I always clean and dry my equipment when I'm finished so no issues with rust.
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Post by liveoak on Jan 29, 2023 14:42:56 GMT -5
Thanks Gary opalpyrexia. I never would have thought of using Jet Dry. Learn something new everyday. Patty |
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Post by Pat on Jan 29, 2023 14:44:02 GMT -5
Why are some getting foam? Interesting.
I have a 4” Ameritool saw with a thin blade. No foam. Are my rocks just foam free? I use the saw on high speed. Thanks.
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christibeach
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Post by christibeach on Mar 24, 2023 13:27:43 GMT -5
I have never had any foaming issues. I use my secret patented formula. Just cause I'm a nice guy I will share my recipe. Take a tray full of my well water and add just a little (1/2 teaspoon) of good old 20 Mule Team Borax. Yup thats it. I always clean and dry my equipment when I'm finished so no issues with rust. , this is awesome, thanks! I just bought a little 4" trim saw made by "Gemstone Equip. Manufacturing" (I made a post with pictures of it). I am in the process of buying blades for it, but all the blades I am finding state they are "Designed for use with a water soluble coolant." I'm specifically looking at the MK-303 right now. www.mkdiamond.com/lapidary/bld_lap_303.htmlDoes the water/borax combo count as a "water soluble coolant"? I have a lot of skin allergy crap, including soaps and rinse aids, but thankfully not to borax. All the water soluble coolants online refuse to share their ingredients, so I'm nervous about them. Fingers crossed that your borax recipe is all I need, that would make my day! |
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Mark K
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Post by Mark K on Mar 24, 2023 16:52:11 GMT -5
I an not sure I believe that thing about the peroxide. Peroxide is a really strong oxidizer. I think I would keep my $50, $75, $250 blades away from anything to do with it.
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quartz
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Post by quartz on Mar 24, 2023 23:16:43 GMT -5
Several people I've known use automotive water pump lube in their saw water with good result. Personally I drain and roll the blade by hand under a rag to dry it.
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paulr
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Post by paulr on Apr 15, 2023 8:47:15 GMT -5
Cascade dishwasher detergent and a bit of sodium nitrate for corrosion protection is what I use.
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Post by stardiamond on Apr 15, 2023 17:58:14 GMT -5
Diamond Pacific water aid. It requires a lower concentration than lube-cool and kool-lube. It is cheaper also. I order gallons of if from the Rock Peddler and is shipped directly from DP. I use it in a lower concentration grinding.
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