chez
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Post by chez on Feb 10, 2023 14:00:53 GMT -5
Hi, I am new to this forum and tumbling. I am tumbling glass for crafting purposes. It was into the 3rd day and I went to check and found the lid is stuck on and I can not get it off. Does anyone have any suggestions to get it off? I have a National Geopgraphic 3lb tumbler. Have utilized the biggest muscle men I know and it was a no go. I ended up taking it out of the tumbler. Do I have to toss this barrel and get a new one? Any help will be appreciated.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Feb 10, 2023 15:09:23 GMT -5
Are you having trouble getting the metal lid off or do you have that off and can't get the inner lid rubber lid off?
For the metal lid the washer can be used as a pry tool to get that off. Pry between the lip of the metal and the ridge of the rubber barrel. Force the washer between those and twist.
Chuck
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Post by rockbrain on Feb 10, 2023 16:58:32 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum. You'll get more response if you post in the proper subforum. There's a rock tumbling one. This is for technical forum issues. Does your tumbler have to lids? Use the washer to pry off the outside stainless steel lid and then flex the top side of the barrel where the rubber lid is. Grab the top edge of the barrel and bend it away from the rubber lid to try to "break the seal" Sometimes I have to do this in a few places around the barrel before the lid will come loose. Good luck!
Forgot to hit the post button and then uploaded without realizing that Chuck replied.
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Post by jasoninsd on Feb 11, 2023 7:23:52 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum from South Dakota! The above are good suggestions...this however is not as good:
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chez
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Post by chez on Feb 11, 2023 14:02:18 GMT -5
I have the Platinum National Geographic tumbler. The barrel and outer cover are rubber. Inside is another cover that is a rubber diaphram. Then a ring goes over that and fits into slots. I think some of the slurry leaked into the threads that are on the outer rubber cover and it has solidified. I have tried to find another tumbler for this and having no luck. Does anyone think the barrel with the metal lid will work for the Platinum NG Tumbler?
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Post by Rockoonz on Feb 11, 2023 15:13:14 GMT -5
Maybe put it in some soapy hot water with the stuck end submerged to see if whatever got solidified can get rehydrated and slicked up with the soap? ⚠ Warning: if I recall obsidian and glass can gas off while tumbling so there may be pressure in there, be sure to wear eye protection.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Feb 11, 2023 18:31:21 GMT -5
I have the Platinum National Geographic tumbler. The barrel and outer cover are rubber. Inside is another cover that is a rubber diaphram. Then a ring goes over that and fits into slots. I think some of the slurry leaked into the threads that are on the outer rubber cover and it has solidified. I have tried to find another tumbler for this and having no luck. Does anyone think the barrel with the metal lid will work for the Platinum NG Tumbler? Solid advice might be hard to come by. I had to look that tumbler up and had never seen that barrel design before. Can't think of anyone off hand that has that exact one. Chuck
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Post by geoff59 on Feb 11, 2023 19:38:27 GMT -5
A threaded lid, yeah that would be a pretty tough issue to resolve if some slurry got on/in to those threads and then dried. I don’t want to sound so negative here, but my advice to you would be to find a way to get a better-made tumbler. I would think that sooner or later, with that design of drum/lid, something unfortunate like this would occur. Buy a Lortone or Thumler.
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Time
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Post by Time on Feb 11, 2023 19:40:25 GMT -5
In addition to the soaking in soapy water that was mentioned you could firmly tap on the edge of the lid with a small hammer or similar tool and go all around the outside. I have loosened jar lids that way a number of times.
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Post by Rockoonz on Feb 12, 2023 0:35:48 GMT -5
Once you get it open, consider petroleum jelly on the threads to hopefully act as an anti seize.
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geoff59
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Post by geoff59 on Feb 12, 2023 6:55:47 GMT -5
Once you get it open, consider petroleum jelly on the threads to hopefully act as an anti seize. If you get that lid loosened up and off, this is something I’d consider doing as well. I think you’d have to grease the threads like this often, maybe each time you closed/sealed it up at the start of every new step.
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Post by stefan on Feb 12, 2023 10:47:53 GMT -5
Uggh what a dismal design. SO more than likely slurry got on the threads. Soapy water, taping the outside all around the outside edge, and pure muscle. If that doesn't work I would try one of those strap wrenches (at least that will give you a better grip). You could honestly make a better barrel with some schedule 40 pvc pipe. If you do get the lid off and plan to reuse it make sure you grease those threads (I would use silicon grease/ dielectric/ divers grease). DO watch out for the gas build up (I suspect that the barrel is under a lot of pressure and probably forced the slurry past the seal and into the treads.)
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Post by driftwood on Feb 13, 2023 10:16:36 GMT -5
We have that same tumbler. Most definitely you have slurry in the treads. Happens every time. We use petroleum jelly on the treads and it has solved that problem. You may also be tightening the lid too much. We have found that the tighter it is, the more it leaks. I have always been able to open it by hand, but before using the petroleum jelly, it was pretty much at my strength limits. I have heard that turning it upside down and clamping the hand grip of the lid in a bench vise will allow you to use 2 hands to loosen it. Obviously you will want to release it and turn it upright after it breaks free. I have never tried it so don't know if it will damage the lid at all.
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Post by vegasjames on Feb 13, 2023 10:28:57 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum.
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Post by quartz on Feb 13, 2023 23:38:16 GMT -5
Most plastics have a fairly high thermal expansion rate, in other words they grow quite bit as temperature increases, and shrink as it gets colder. You might try dipping the barrel right up to, but not including the lid in cold water, colder the better but not freezing. Let it soak in that for say half an hour then turn the barrel over and dip only the lid in hot water, at least tap water hot. The lid might expand enough to loosen.
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Post by lsosin on Dec 1, 2023 11:30:22 GMT -5
I also have a stuck lid i washed it before i put it into stage 2 its just annoying i had the same problem at the end of stage one this is my rock tumbler
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 1, 2023 12:04:42 GMT -5
I also have a stuck lid i washed it before i put it into stage 2 its just annoying i had the same problem at the end of stage one this is my rock tumblerWelcome from Virginia.
For anyone that doesn't want to click the link- it is a national geo tumbler.
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