ashley
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Post by ashley on Mar 2, 2023 0:18:59 GMT -5
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Post by MsAli on Mar 2, 2023 6:27:22 GMT -5
Location?
Shipping avail. or local pick up only?
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Post by liveoak on Mar 2, 2023 7:33:25 GMT -5
I had to look up "Ball Mill" - looks like a super/industrial Heavy Duty Tumbler.
Nice.
Patty
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ashley
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Post by ashley on Mar 2, 2023 7:57:24 GMT -5
Location? Shipping avail. or local pick up only? It is in Utica, Illinois. We could do shipping but I will need to get some pricing to see what that would cost and how it would affect the price. Let me get back to you with that in a few days. Thank you.  |
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Post by Tommy on Mar 2, 2023 12:11:37 GMT -5
I had to look up "Ball Mill" - looks like a super/industrial Heavy Duty Tumbler. Nice. Patty I also had to look it up and I'm still not sure of the difference. Maybe it runs dry and spins faster? The goal seems to be to create powder. |
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Post by MsAli on Mar 2, 2023 13:29:22 GMT -5
I thought it was crushing rock into material for inlay?
Maybe Ashley you can have the seller also explain exactly what it is 🤣
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Post by Rockoonz on Mar 2, 2023 13:46:45 GMT -5
Big ball mills are used to crush ore for metals extraction, most "cannon balls" people find are really mill balls. I imagine it would do a good job on chalk "turquoise" for inlay and the reconstituted stone. That base looks almost identical to the Scott Murray (Lortone) base that came with my 40# tumbler barrels, even down to the color of paint.
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QuailRiver
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Post by QuailRiver on Mar 2, 2023 14:10:48 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that this ball mill is designed for making ceramic glazes. Round porcelain media is added to glaze mixtures in the ceramic barrels and turned to grind the glaze ingredients into finer particles and a more consistent mixture. Doing this produces a better quality and more even glaze for ceramics.
...also I believe that Pyrotechnic enthusiasts use this type of ball mill for making fireworks.
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Post by MsAli on Mar 2, 2023 15:57:19 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that this ball mill is designed for making ceramic glazes. Round porcelain media is added to glaze mixtures in the ceramic barrels and turned to grind the glaze ingredients into finer particles and a more consistent mixture. Doing this produces a better quality and more even glaze for ceramics. ...also I believe that Pyrotechnic enthusiasts use this type of ball mill for making fireworks. For what use would it have in lapidary? |
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Post by ashley on Mar 2, 2023 21:19:02 GMT -5
So from what she told me it was bought by a college to use to crush rock to make pigments. It can also be used as an industrial grade tumbler.
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Post by ashley on Mar 2, 2023 22:26:52 GMT -5
Location? Shipping avail. or local pick up only? Shipping would be UPS, if you give me a zip code I could give you an estimate of what that would be. It weighs about 65 lbs. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Mar 3, 2023 1:02:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that this ball mill is designed for making ceramic glazes. Round porcelain media is added to glaze mixtures in the ceramic barrels and turned to grind the glaze ingredients into finer particles and a more consistent mixture. Doing this produces a better quality and more even glaze for ceramics. ...also I believe that Pyrotechnic enthusiasts use this type of ball mill for making fireworks. For what use would it have in lapidary? The base could be used with rock tumbling barrels. But those barrels that are on it appear to be ceramic barrels and of the style that are used for ball milling ceramic glazes. |
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Post by QuailRiver on Mar 3, 2023 1:22:25 GMT -5
So from what she told me it was bought by a college to use to crush rock to make pigments. It can also be used as an industrial grade tumbler. Ball Mills can be used to mill paint pigments which are similar, and often the same oxides and minerals that are used to make and color ceramic glazes with (I used to be a potter). And these mineral pigments used for glazes and paints are already crushed to powder prior to being ball milled to a finer grade. If those barrels on the Craftool Ball Mill pictured are made of ceramic as they appear to be in the photos, and if they do not have rubber liners (which can't be determined from the photos) then they would not likely hold up well for tumbling hard rocks like agates and jaspers, especially in the rough grinding stages of jagged rocks. Also they would be extremely noisy for while they lasted. Here are links to a couple of more modern versions of the ceramic barrels and ball mills used for milling glazes: www.usstoneware.com/ceramic-grinding-mill-jars.htmwww.baileypottery.com/store-dept-pottery-ceramic-studio-equipment/store-glaze-equipment/store-glaze-equipment-ball-mills.htmlBut I don't see any reason why with proper rock tumbling barrels added that the base of the machine you have pictured couldn't be used for rock tumbling. |
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Post by rmf on Mar 3, 2023 4:22:03 GMT -5
The thing about the ball mill is that you do not have to use the "drums" which appear to be ceramic for grinding stones. They would be poor at that since they are designed to hold steel balls used to pulverize. Grit would grind them faster than the stones. But you could add a big drum and make a great rock tumbler. Not sure of the size but you could probably put a Scott Murray 40# drum on it.
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Post by NRG on Mar 16, 2023 13:05:18 GMT -5
I had to look up "Ball Mill" - looks like a super/industrial Heavy Duty Tumbler. Nice. Patty I also had to look it up and I'm still not sure of the difference. Maybe it runs dry and spins faster? The goal seems to be to create powder. The only diff between a tumbler and a ball mill is the balls in the tumbler barrel. Ive seen the fireworks making hobbyists use rock tumblers full of pachinko balls to turn it into a ball mill. They use it to make powdered chemicals for their displays. This one seems industrial and therefore the price. |
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Post by hogpaw on Mar 16, 2023 23:12:33 GMT -5
I bought something like this at an auction. It came with several buckets of yttria stabilized zirconia and came from a machine shop. It has large PVC barrels. Currently in storage and needs to be cleaned up. It is on my to-do list. I figured I could change out the pulleys to adjust speed if needed. It will make a top notch tumbler.
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ashley
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Post by ashley on Jun 18, 2023 20:07:19 GMT -5
**Boss lady wants it gone, name a price and pay for shipping and its your! Or you can pick it up if your close enough, its in Utica Illinois.
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Post by gemfreak95 on Sept 25, 2024 11:59:44 GMT -5
Is this still available? I have a friend who just got into making his own paints who might be interested.
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