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Post by maximus on Jan 17, 2024 7:02:56 GMT -5
Hi All, I have filled my vibratory tumbler 3/4 with flint and a few spoons of grit to try and remove some of the chalk etc from the outside. Can anybody eyeball this and see if I have added too much water? Are there any telltale signs I have too much/little water when vibratory tumbling? gif upload siteThank you Max
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Post by velodromed on Jan 17, 2024 11:18:44 GMT -5
Hi All, I have filled my vibratory tumbler 3/4 with flint and a few spoons of grit to try and remove some of the chalk etc from the outside. Can anybody eyeball this and see if I have added too much water? Are there any telltale signs I have too much/little water when vibratory tumbling? Thank you Max I often use my vibe to remove calcite/lime and clean up rocks we find. Most everything here in central Texas is covered with the thick layer of calcite and lime. Not sure how other folks work their vibes (I figured out my method by trial and error), but I run my raytech 5 packed 2/3rds full with ceramics and small agates. Without the cushion of additional media, my vibe damages the rocks. I rinse rocks and media off before putting them in the bowl, turn it on and sprinkle nearly 2 tsp of 180-220 SiC grit. Often the wet rocks and media have enough moisture to get it going, and I keep a spray bottle next to it to add as needed. I check it a few times during the first 30 minutes or so to make sure it’s cycling well, and then it’s fine for the rest of the day. I check in the evening and as needed. Typically, when I’m cleaning off rocks, I will run them for one-two days. You definitely have too much water if it’s pooling and bouncing around in the bottom (I think you have too much water, because I can see it literally sitting in the bottom of the bowl), and you definitely have too little water if things are not moving and cycling. Too much water causes the grit to settle to the bottom of the bowl, it can wear the bowl down at the bottom and doesn’t do much good for the rocks. So I err on the side of caution and start with a low amount of moisture. When I do end up with too much water in the bowl, I simply drain half of it out or more. I let the slurry dry, then use it for developing slurry in future tumbles. It can take some experimentation to find what works for your machine and style. I’m sure you’ll get other recommendations. There are literally as many ways to polish a rock as there are to skin a cat. Polishing rocks is much nicer though. People get upset if you skin the neighborhood cats.
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Post by maximus on Jan 17, 2024 11:22:58 GMT -5
That is such a an incredibly helpful reply, thank you so much. I will remove some of the water, I suspected it was way too much. Thank you. Will post more pictures with progress as I am excited to see how this tumbler works.
Thank you. Max
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Post by jasoninsd on Jan 17, 2024 11:23:40 GMT -5
Hey Max! It might be a smidge too much, but hard to tell for me. If you've got "splashing" then it's too much... EDIT - Y'all were posting while I was slow-typing! LOL - Great response velodromed!
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Post by velodromed on Jan 17, 2024 11:27:17 GMT -5
That is such a an incredibly helpful reply, thank you so much. I will remove some of the water, I suspected it was way too much. Thank you. Will post more pictures with progress as I am excited to see how this tumbler works. Thank you. Max Sure thing bud, what kind of vibe did you get?
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Post by rockbrain on Jan 17, 2024 11:35:18 GMT -5
How's the action? Are the rock circulating well? Looks like you've got mostly medium to medium large size rocks. Some variation can be beneficial. The ceramics that Velodromed mentioned would fill that bill. Some pea gravel would also work. You'll have a lot more stuff rubbing against the surfaces with some "littles" in there.
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Post by maximus on Jan 17, 2024 11:44:27 GMT -5
That is such a an incredibly helpful reply, thank you so much. I will remove some of the water, I suspected it was way too much. Thank you. Will post more pictures with progress as I am excited to see how this tumbler works. Thank you. Max Sure thing bud, what kind of vibe did you get? It's a pretty basic one, a Lyman 600, it was used from somebody local. Just to see how I get on with them as Vibratory tumblers aren't common place in England so is hard to get one for a reasonable price. So before investing I wanted to test one out.
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Post by maximus on Jan 17, 2024 11:54:25 GMT -5
I have uploaded a quick video of the rocks movement. Obviously it's a different style barrel to the Lot o ones so assume the motion will be different. streamable.com/p3j8va
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Post by maximus on Jan 17, 2024 11:55:13 GMT -5
How's the action? Are the rock circulating well? Looks like you've got mostly medium to medium large size rocks. Some variation can be beneficial. The ceramics that Velodromed mentioned would fill that bill. Some pea gravel would also work. You'll have a lot more stuff rubbing against the surfaces with some "littles" in there. Thank you again, I have added a video to a post above to show the movement of the rocks.
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Post by adam5 on Jan 17, 2024 12:56:44 GMT -5
The movement in your tumbler should resemble what you see in this video:
As Velodromed and Rockbrain mentioned, you will need smaller tumbling media (ceramic, pea gravel, or small agates) mixed in with the rocks to get proper movement. When the rocks are moving properly, they are circulating around in the bowl and rubbing against the tumbling media and themselves. When they more or less stay in place and vibrate against each other, chipping will occur. And it can damage the bowl.
By the way, welcome and best wishes!
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Post by maximus on Jan 17, 2024 13:25:56 GMT -5
Thank you Adam, will take a look and put some other smaller rocks in there (of a similar hardness)
Thank you
Max
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Post by maximus on Jan 17, 2024 13:36:58 GMT -5
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Post by adam5 on Jan 17, 2024 13:57:18 GMT -5
Yes, they are non-abrasive and would work fine for you.
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Post by arentol on Jan 17, 2024 17:46:52 GMT -5
Issues I see is that you have no media, and the tumbler is not nearly full enough of rocks. Even with media you wouldn't have enough rocks to start with.
Here is the process I use for my Thumler UV-10(ish) tumbler, which also addresses the amount of water to use.
Take the tumbler bucket entirely off the tumbler base. Fill the tumbler bucket about 70% up the center plastic column (*edit: with rocks). Fill just to the top of the column with ceramic media. Dump it all in a regular bucket of clean water. Move all rocks and media back to the tumbler bucket. Add about 3/4 TBSP of appropriate grit per lb of the tumbler (~4 TBSP for a 5lb tumbler, 6 for an 8, 7.5 for a 10, etc.) Put the whole thing back on the tumbler base and tighten down. Run it for a minute and make sure it all looks good, spray more water in, or add more rocks or media, to adjust movement as needed (almost never is needed). Put the lid on, and check every 12 hours, spraying more water in as needed.
As you will see, I don't "add water" to the rocks, I add the rocks to water, then transfer that water to the tumbler on the body of the rocks and media. That should generally be enough to get started right. You can also do this by submerging the full tumbler bucket in water, or pouring water into it until full, then straining it out, but that is hard to do on larger openings like this bucket has. Its easier for me to just dump it in a regular bucket, then use my bare hands to move them back.
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Post by maximus on Jan 17, 2024 18:00:42 GMT -5
Issues I see is that you have no media, and the tumbler is not nearly full enough of rocks. Even with media you wouldn't have enough rocks to start with. Here is the process I use for my Thumler UV-10(ish) tumbler, which also addresses the amount of water to use. Take the tumbler bucket entirely off the tumbler base. Fill the tumbler bucket about 70% up the center plastic column. Fill just to the top of the column with ceramic media. Dump it all in a regular bucket of clean water. Move all rocks and media back to the tumbler bucket. Add about 3/4 TBSP of appropriate grit per lb of the tumbler (~4 TBSP for a 5lb tumbler, 6 for an 8, 7.5 for a 10, etc.) Put the whole thing back on the tumbler base and tighten down. Run it for a minute and make sure it all looks good, spray more water in, or add more rocks or media, to adjust movement as needed (almost never is needed). Put the lid on, and check every 12 hours, spraying more water in as needed. As you will see, I don't "add water" to the rocks, I add the rocks to water, then transfer that water to the tumbler on the body of the rocks and media. That should generally be enough to get started right. You can also do this by submerging the full tumbler bucket in water, or pouring water into it until full, then straining it out, but that is hard to do on larger openings like this bucket has. Its easier for me to just dump it in a regular bucket, then use my bare hands to move them back. Thanks Arentol, I've ordered the media now, the media I have already appears a little too big so will wait for the ceramic bits I ordered earlier. I will update once I get that and hopefully will have better results and movement in the tumbler. I have quite a lot of rocks in there, I guess it may look a little deceiving with the angle of my photo, when I get the media etc and start again I'll record a video to show exactly what I'm putting in. Practice will make perfect 😊👍🏻
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Post by maximus on Jan 19, 2024 6:51:46 GMT -5
How's the action? Are the rock circulating well? Looks like you've got mostly medium to medium large size rocks. Some variation can be beneficial. The ceramics that Velodromed mentioned would fill that bill. Some pea gravel would also work. You'll have a lot more stuff rubbing against the surfaces with some "littles" in there. Hi rRockbrain, Do you think this would also work for media in the tumbler? www.bradfords.co.uk/apb062Thank you Max
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