rocknrob
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Post by rocknrob on Jun 18, 2024 0:33:28 GMT -5
I just realized that the HDT14 saw I just ordered from HP will not have a pump included. Not sure how they plan on having someone use the saw out of the box without a pump. Either way, I looked and of course the pump that they sell is out of stock which leaves me high and dry unless I find a solution on how to cool the 14" blade when cutting. Can I go local and replace the pump with something from a local hardware store? I'm sure with enough nylon tubing I can move water into the blade cover enough to cool, but I'm not sure how strong of a pump I should get with this saw. I have not looked at Amazon yet but Kingsley North has a pump that may not work with this as the nozzle for the outflow is pretty low. I'm holding out hope for someone here who might have experience with this kind of thing. Thank you!
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Post by Peruano on Jun 18, 2024 6:15:06 GMT -5
Consider a standard water pump for an evaporative cooler. Available at any hardware store in the SW. Or on line. Even the smallest will deliver plenty of coolant for you. Swamp cooler pump in the vernacular.
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Mark K
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Post by Mark K on Jun 18, 2024 6:23:27 GMT -5
I know that the pump they sell with the everclean is not adequate for oil. It is made for water and can't handle the viscosity of the oil. The oil gets pushed past the shaft seal and ends up inside the motor. My first pump from them burned up after it was filled with oil. Took it to a highly regarded motor shop and they said it is not adequate for the application it was being used for. I am currently using a transfer pump from Menards and it works great, but is not intended for constant duty. Eats up brushes.
The main issue is the pumps move way more fluid than we need so we have to use a valve to control the flow. I am going to make a bypass so the pump I end up with only pumps the oil to the everclean that it needs and puts the rest back in the saw in a way that the spots that fill up with goo gets flushed into the system. Pump will never be throttled back. saving the seals.
You are dealing with water. Maybe a pond pump from ebay?
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rocknrob
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Post by rocknrob on Jun 18, 2024 11:01:37 GMT -5
Yes, I'm trying to keep this one a water saw. Maybe with a little additive (gem juice I think it's called) to help it cool better than plain H20. I did see a couple pond pumps for sale at Lowes, I just didn't know what kind of flow rate I needed to make it work. If I remember it was around 100gpm but at $18 I wasn't sure if that means that it would wear itself out in only a couple of uses. I did see several that were going into the thousands of gallons per minute and that would have been like a fire hose. Is there an ideal flow rate to aim for?
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Post by Mark K on Jun 18, 2024 16:03:09 GMT -5
I think the 100 with a splitter to move the excess away would be fine. The pond pumps are constant duty. Just avoid sucking gravel into them. The pond pumps often have a pressure connection that just slips together like vacuum segments. I would put a Y in the line to let some water escape and some go on the target. The water comes in the bottom of the Y and goes out the arms.
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rocknrob
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Post by rocknrob on Jun 18, 2024 16:11:50 GMT -5
I think the 100 with a splitter to move the excess away would be fine. The pond pumps are constant duty. Just avoid sucking gravel into them. The pond pumps often have a pressure connection that just slips together like vacuum segments. I would put a Y in the line to let some water escape and some go on the target. The water comes in the bottom of the Y and goes out the arms. Thanks, I was thinking the less the better in this case. It didn't occur to me to put a splitter in to take care of the extra pressure but that's brilliant! |
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Post by Mark K on Jun 19, 2024 17:12:22 GMT -5
Rob.
Check out my latest post/video to see the one I built today.
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rocknrob
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Post by rocknrob on Jun 19, 2024 20:26:12 GMT -5
Rob. Check out my latest post/video to see the one I built today. Ooh, will do! Thanks! - Rob |
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Post by goldfinder on Jun 25, 2024 13:53:53 GMT -5
Nice looking saw rocknrob! It's hard to fathom that the new Highland Park company would sell a saw without a critically essential component like a water/oil pump?? And they expect customers to be able to source and retrofit a 3rd party pump options to just be able to use a brand new saw? Hopefully there was a hefty discount passed along for selling an incomplete piece of equipment? Hopefully it doesn't cause you too much trouble rigging up a pump so can get to cutting quickly! |
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rocknrob
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Post by rocknrob on Jun 25, 2024 13:58:46 GMT -5
Nice looking saw rocknrob ! It's hard to fathom that the new Highland Park company would sell a saw without a critically essential component like a water/oil pump?? And they expect customers to be able to source and retrofit a 3rd party pump options to just be able to use a brand new saw? Hopefully there was a hefty discount passed along for selling an incomplete piece of equipment? Hopefully it doesn't cause you too much trouble rigging up a pump so can get to cutting quickly! They do sell an "optional" pump for about $156 or so plus an attachment for about $15 more so... eeehhhh? The saw itself is pretty solidly built and for about $1500 and way less fiddly bits than a full slab saw. I've got quite a bit of rough to slab up  . I had to take a pic of this because this is likely the cleanest this saw will ever be. |
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johnthor1963
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Post by johnthor1963 on Jun 25, 2024 15:04:00 GMT -5
Your new saw rocks can’t wait to see it dirty. You are better off buying a pump your self HP are over priced for a nonsubmersible pump. I bought one of there pumps for my CB-8 cab machine and it lasted a month. The good part is they replaced it.
Thx for sharing can’t wait to see your slabs
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Post by catmandewe on Jun 26, 2024 8:49:57 GMT -5
A swamp cooler pump should fit right into that hole in the back left corner.
Tony
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Post by stardiamond on Jun 26, 2024 12:32:33 GMT -5
I bought one during their BF sale. I'm going to uncrate it next month. Mine came with a free pump and some pounds of rough rock that I didn't need. Since the saw didn't come with a pump, I assumed that it would work with water without one. I'm using oil in mine.
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rocknrob
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Post by rocknrob on Jun 26, 2024 18:11:04 GMT -5
I've cobbled together a water setup from Amazon. The Little Giant sump pump (the smallest capacity model similar to the one on Kingsley North) that I purchased was WAAAAY too much power for water, especially given that I need to bring down the Inside Diameter of the tubing from 5/8 to 1/8 in order to plug into the saw's current cooling set up. I did a test run of it before getting into the tubing and it was shooting the water a good 4-5 feet away. It would probably work pretty well for oil since it's heavier and harder to push so I'll keep it around for that. I got a decent quality submersible water pump with the intake on the bottom on order for tomorrow so I get to find out if my math works. I may need to come up with a filtration system to keep debris out of the little fellow.
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rocknrob
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Post by rocknrob on Jun 28, 2024 18:08:30 GMT -5
I finally have a cooling solution figured out and working. It cut through some HARD agate/jasper combo and some wonderstone it took less time that it would have if I used my trim saw.  I can see why they call it wonderstone... wow!  |
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. I had to take a pic of this because this is likely the cleanest this saw will ever be.
