Post by lapidary1234 on Jun 18, 2024 12:55:55 GMT -5
Hello friends, I am really hoping to get some input here.
The too long / didn't read is i just had the bearings changed on my genie but the shop didn't change the capacitor. They told me it tested fine and capacitors are either good or no good. After getting machine back I notice the motor runs MUCH HOTTER than before (it definitely ran warm slightly hot but now is bordering Burning/egg cooking heat!
How concerned should I be and how to proceed?
More detailed story here:
I bought a used genie about 5 years back. It has treated me good and last year I invested in a new dp wheel set, extra right hand spindle and the three finer grit wheels.
Recently when I'd go to start up the machine the wheels didn't want to spin freely...I could get them to start moving if I really pushed hard on them (self turning or breaking loose) before starting the machine. Once the wheels were "broken loose" the machine would run fine and start back up no problem if done within a few hours. If left sit overnight they would start to size up again.
Seeing how it is a used machine and I don't know its history I found a local small engine shop to have them change the bearings and capacitor.
Knowing ahead of time that grainger sells the same spec capacitor as dp for $5 vs $40 i inquired with the shop regarding capacitors. They told me that there are basically only 2 types of capacitors...a "start" capacitor and a "start and run" capacitor. They told me they don't cost more than $10.
I had a camping trip planned the week I dropped the machine off so between the shop telling me they had capacitors there and not having time to order one myself ahead of time I just figured the shop knew what to do. They told me they would change it while they were doing the bearings...
So I got back from camping and went to pickup the machine. They told me that while they did change the bearings it was more an issue of rust at the inner part of the arbor. Okay fine whatever, it spins freely now.
When I asked if they changed the capacitor they said they tested it and it tested out fine, said it was actually putting out a little higher (amps/volts?) Than its rated (read 7 when specs say 6 i believe). They told me capacitors either work or they don't. They also didn't actually have the correct capacitor at the shop (they had 5's and 10's)
Now everything I've read here and other places says to change the capacitor as preventative maintenance...
Here's the real kicker though...prior to having the bearings changed my genie motor ran fairly warm but not HOT. After cabbing for a cpl hours last night I noticed the motor was HOT. HOT HOT HOT! I couldn't place my hand on it more than a second or two with heavy nitrile gloves.
My questions are: why is this thing running so hot? Is it because of the new bearings? Is it because of the capacitor? Are the genie capacitors "start and run" or "start" only?
How important is it to actually get the capacitor changed? Or are they truly either good or bad?
Also, the shop told me they use high quality sealed bearings with some kind of (additional?) Rubber seal. Could the bearings be causing the motor to get so hot?
Finally, I know I've heard others say their cabbing machine motors run hot but am I likely to fry the motor if I keep using it? After investing all the money on new wheels and spindle, magnetic laps and now bearings the last thing I need is to burn up the motor!
One more thing, I found a post with the pictures of which wires go where on the capacitor but I'm unsure and a little afraid of changing it myself. I haven't been able to find a video of how to access the capacitor. I feel like it requires unbolting the motor from the base and accessing it through the bottom. I've also read that the nut that holds the power switch can have parts drop through it into the motor while apart. I definitely wouldn't want that.
Sorry if my post is rambling, thank you for reading and I'm hoping to get some replies regarding:
how important it is to change the capacitor ?
Are the capacitors really either good or bad or can they start to fail?
How hot does your genie motor get?
Could the new bearings be contributing to the motor heat?
How does one open the motor to access capacitor?
Thanks in advance!!
~Josh
The too long / didn't read is i just had the bearings changed on my genie but the shop didn't change the capacitor. They told me it tested fine and capacitors are either good or no good. After getting machine back I notice the motor runs MUCH HOTTER than before (it definitely ran warm slightly hot but now is bordering Burning/egg cooking heat!
How concerned should I be and how to proceed?
More detailed story here:
I bought a used genie about 5 years back. It has treated me good and last year I invested in a new dp wheel set, extra right hand spindle and the three finer grit wheels.
Recently when I'd go to start up the machine the wheels didn't want to spin freely...I could get them to start moving if I really pushed hard on them (self turning or breaking loose) before starting the machine. Once the wheels were "broken loose" the machine would run fine and start back up no problem if done within a few hours. If left sit overnight they would start to size up again.
Seeing how it is a used machine and I don't know its history I found a local small engine shop to have them change the bearings and capacitor.
Knowing ahead of time that grainger sells the same spec capacitor as dp for $5 vs $40 i inquired with the shop regarding capacitors. They told me that there are basically only 2 types of capacitors...a "start" capacitor and a "start and run" capacitor. They told me they don't cost more than $10.
I had a camping trip planned the week I dropped the machine off so between the shop telling me they had capacitors there and not having time to order one myself ahead of time I just figured the shop knew what to do. They told me they would change it while they were doing the bearings...
So I got back from camping and went to pickup the machine. They told me that while they did change the bearings it was more an issue of rust at the inner part of the arbor. Okay fine whatever, it spins freely now.
When I asked if they changed the capacitor they said they tested it and it tested out fine, said it was actually putting out a little higher (amps/volts?) Than its rated (read 7 when specs say 6 i believe). They told me capacitors either work or they don't. They also didn't actually have the correct capacitor at the shop (they had 5's and 10's)
Now everything I've read here and other places says to change the capacitor as preventative maintenance...
Here's the real kicker though...prior to having the bearings changed my genie motor ran fairly warm but not HOT. After cabbing for a cpl hours last night I noticed the motor was HOT. HOT HOT HOT! I couldn't place my hand on it more than a second or two with heavy nitrile gloves.
My questions are: why is this thing running so hot? Is it because of the new bearings? Is it because of the capacitor? Are the genie capacitors "start and run" or "start" only?
How important is it to actually get the capacitor changed? Or are they truly either good or bad?
Also, the shop told me they use high quality sealed bearings with some kind of (additional?) Rubber seal. Could the bearings be causing the motor to get so hot?
Finally, I know I've heard others say their cabbing machine motors run hot but am I likely to fry the motor if I keep using it? After investing all the money on new wheels and spindle, magnetic laps and now bearings the last thing I need is to burn up the motor!
One more thing, I found a post with the pictures of which wires go where on the capacitor but I'm unsure and a little afraid of changing it myself. I haven't been able to find a video of how to access the capacitor. I feel like it requires unbolting the motor from the base and accessing it through the bottom. I've also read that the nut that holds the power switch can have parts drop through it into the motor while apart. I definitely wouldn't want that.
Sorry if my post is rambling, thank you for reading and I'm hoping to get some replies regarding:
how important it is to change the capacitor ?
Are the capacitors really either good or bad or can they start to fail?
How hot does your genie motor get?
Could the new bearings be contributing to the motor heat?
How does one open the motor to access capacitor?
Thanks in advance!!
~Josh
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