raindropsroses
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Post by raindropsroses on Sept 1, 2024 10:24:28 GMT -5
I got a package of these in a box of supplies a friend gave me and I’m not sure what to use them for. I’ve been just using ceramic media. Are they good for anything especially?
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electrocutus
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Post by electrocutus on Sept 30, 2024 14:51:05 GMT -5
I was about to ask the same question. I recently bought a kit of grit. Because I only tumble small batches in 1.5 lbs tumbler, I tend to get the kits instead of the large quantities. This is the first time I ordered this kit, and it came with 1lb of zirconia pellets. I haven't made it to setp 4 with my current batch, so I was also wondering if anyone has used them in the polishing step, and if they are any better than ceramic media.
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electrocutus
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Post by electrocutus on Oct 9, 2024 9:12:31 GMT -5
I am running a small batch at the polishing stage with the beads. I'll post back when they are done and see if there is any difference with plain ceramic pellets.
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Post by electrocutus on Oct 17, 2024 14:44:23 GMT -5
I finished my polish batch with the zirconia beads, and overall I am quite pleased with the results. I would be hard-pressed to see a real difference between polishing with ceramic pellets and zirconia beads, even when looking up close with a jeweler's magnifying glass. My tumbling process was the same for the 2 test batches. Equipment: Lortone 33B tumbler with 1.5lbs barrels. 1- at least 2 week-long tumblings in 60/90 silicon carbide coarse until I got the bumps out and smooth shapes. I rinsed and recharged the grit after each week when the shapes were not ready, sometimes adding new rough rocks to top up the barrel. 2 - 7-10 days in 180/220 silicon carbide 3 - 7-10 days in 500 silicon carbide 4 - 7-10 days in Alumina polish (1500 I think?) with the ceramic pellets in one barrel and zirconia beads in the other. 5 - 12-24 hours in borax for final clean and burnish, with the respective media included. The shine in the 2 batches for rocks that I think are good comparisons in terms of hardness and colours is nice and about the same. A few observations: - one thing I really like about the zirconia beads is that they are smoother right out of the bags, whereas the ceramic pelles feel a bit more rough. The ceramic pellets feel smooth after a couple of tumbles. I used ceramic pellets that had already gone through at least one tumble for this test, so I would say that there smoothness was similar to the new zirconia beads. - the zirconia beads are all pretty much a uniform size. I don't know if this matters much in ensuring the grit or polish goes around and grinds to rocks evenly. Based only on my first polish test, it looks like they work equally well. - For my next batches, I might try using the zirconia beads in step 3 as well to see if they help, and how well they stand up to grinding. - I read somewhere that the zirconia beads might last longer than the ceramic pellets before grinding down, especially if used in the earlier stage. Only time will tell. So I think it comes down to preference and availability of the media (and price of course). I had never seen the zirconia beads anywhere else before. This photo shows some examples from both batches. On the left are rocks polished with ceramic media in step 4, and on the right are rocks with the zirconia beads in step 4. All of these rocks came from New Brunswick (Bay of Fundy) and Prince Edward Island (West Coast) in Canada.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 17, 2024 15:41:24 GMT -5
I think maybe the hardness and resistance to wearing down smaller in the tumble? Anything that will help to keep flats from sticking together and also carry the polish to the flat surfaces will do it, we have a bunch of garnet we use for filler, it does the job nicely.
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lapidary1234
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Post by lapidary1234 on Oct 17, 2024 22:42:45 GMT -5
I've never heard of zirconia being used as media. I double checked to make sure... Zirconia has a hardness over 9. If they ever broke up or chipped I'd think they would scratch the stones fairly easily. However the photo you posted shows great results. If anything just be sure and inspect to make sure you're not throwing any jagged edges in the barrel. Thanks for sharing 👍
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 17, 2024 23:06:05 GMT -5
Zirconia is used for dental implants because it isn't brittle at all, I doubt there would be issues with it breaking in a normal tumbler load. Still, it's always good to check everything in the barrel for sharp surfaces that will scratch at every stage and set them aside to return to coarse.
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electrocutus
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Post by electrocutus on Oct 21, 2024 9:44:14 GMT -5
I've never heard of zirconia being used as media. I double checked to make sure... Zirconia has a hardness over 9. If they ever broke up or chipped I'd think they would scratch the stones fairly easily. However the photo you posted shows great results. If anything just be sure and inspect to make sure you're not throwing any jagged edges in the barrel. Thanks for sharing 👍 From what I could read up on it, it looks like it is a composite of zirconia and ceramic. They are nice and round and did a pretty good job, so I'll keep using them to see how fast they wear down compared with my ceramic pellets.
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Post by chowbelanna on Oct 24, 2024 17:42:21 GMT -5
I've never heard of zirconia being used as media. I double checked to make sure... Zirconia has a hardness over 9. If they ever broke up or chipped I'd think they would scratch the stones fairly easily. However the photo you posted shows great results. If anything just be sure and inspect to make sure you're not throwing any jagged edges in the barrel. Thanks for sharing 👍 From what I could read up on it, it looks like it is a composite of zirconia and ceramic. They are nice and round and did a pretty good job, so I'll keep using them to see how fast they wear down compared with my ceramic pellets. You have inspired me to buy some, I will be very interested to see how I get on with them.
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chaosdsm
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Post by chaosdsm on Oct 26, 2024 15:00:34 GMT -5
Fun fact.... most white ceramics that are not made for food contact (due to the expense vs clay based ceramics) are zirconia including most, if not all, ceramic filler media for tumbling. The most common formulation is zirconium dioxide or ZrO2
ZrO2 ceramics are also used extensively in ceramic ball bearings due to their extreme light weight to high load bearing ratio & high durability.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 27, 2024 7:22:50 GMT -5
ZrO2 is a super dense ceramic at 6 g/ml which can make it impact aggressive in a vibe.(it ain't no padding agent).
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electrocutus
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Post by electrocutus on Oct 28, 2024 10:17:32 GMT -5
Fun fact.... most white ceramics that are not made for food contact (due to the expense vs clay based ceramics) are zirconia including most, if not all, ceramic filler media for tumbling. The most common formulation is zirconium dioxide or ZrO2 ZrO2 ceramics are also used extensively in ceramic ball bearings due to their extreme light weight to high load bearing ratio & high durability. ***Mind blown*** So, you're saying that my zirconia beads are most likely the same as my ceramic sticks, just different shapes? I can say I learned something new today :-)
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chaosdsm
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Post by chaosdsm on Oct 28, 2024 12:10:42 GMT -5
Fun fact.... most white ceramics that are not made for food contact (due to the expense vs clay based ceramics) are zirconia including most, if not all, ceramic filler media for tumbling. The most common formulation is zirconium dioxide or ZrO2 ZrO2 ceramics are also used extensively in ceramic ball bearings due to their extreme light weight to high load bearing ratio & high durability. ***Mind blown*** So, you're saying that my zirconia beads are most likely the same as my ceramic sticks, just different shapes? I can say I learned something new today :-) Most likely, though aluminum oxide is also used to make white ceramics: Some key differences: Properties: Aluminum oxide is harder and less dense than zirconia, but zirconia is more solid and has higher fracture toughness. i.e. alumina based ceramics can fracture, chip &/or break easier. Uses: Aluminum oxide is a good choice for electronic substrates and insulating washers. Zirconia is better for mechanical applications that require high stress and high temperatures, such as heavy grinding and cutting. Cost: Aluminum oxide is generally cheaper than zirconia, but not always.
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