bryan22
off to a rocking start
Member since April 2024
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Post by bryan22 on Sept 11, 2024 15:00:44 GMT -5
My main interest is tumbling, but the split rock I can buy has jagged corners. I thought a flat lap would help me prep the rocks for tumbling, but I was not eager to spend $600 to get a proper tool. I made a prototype out of scrap wood and it worked so well I drew it up for 3D printing. The plastic version is waterproof (unlike the wood) and works like a champ. It has slots to sit on a standard plastic bucket to catch the runoff, and is easily lifted off to dump the water. The big bucket not only holds a lot of water before you need to dump it, it also brings the work surface up to a comfortable working height. It runs on a $25 12-volt DC motor which has enough power to spin my 6" disk at 3,500 RPM. The rig will accommodate an 8" disk.
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Post by chris1956 on Sept 11, 2024 16:57:27 GMT -5
I like the drip bottle.
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bryan22
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Post by bryan22 on Sept 11, 2024 18:28:06 GMT -5
That's not working out. It's too hard to get a good seal with the thin plastic. I'm printing a 3D bottle now that will have threads for the stopcock.
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Post by bhindzioncurtain on Sept 12, 2024 14:43:34 GMT -5
That looks like something I could use. You have plans to make and sell or maybe offer the file for those of us who can find a local Maker to print it out. Really smart making it so it will fit on 5 gallon bucket.
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bryan22
off to a rocking start
Member since April 2024
Posts: 12
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Post by bryan22 on Sept 15, 2024 11:24:48 GMT -5
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Post by bhindzioncurtain on Oct 3, 2024 16:53:55 GMT -5
So first I tried the commercial route and was quoted $108. So I went with plan B. I work for a submarine builder and we have our own forum. I posted that I needed to get this 3D printed and got multiple offers and one was willing to do it for free with ABS and another the cost of PLA filament. Will update when I pick up the parts this weekend.
So looking forward to using this flat lap.
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Post by bhindzioncurtain on Oct 12, 2024 8:14:23 GMT -5
ABS, makers choice of color. I think it looks good. Will post photo when I have assembled. A pain to find right length of bolt, maybe because I went with larger so it was a tight fit. Next step to get DC power supply (wall wart) and solder connections.
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Post by whalecottagedesigns on Oct 12, 2024 20:17:04 GMT -5
This is a great project! Will be keeping an eyeball! :-)
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Post by bhindzioncurtain on Oct 14, 2024 8:55:12 GMT -5
Almost there, just need to order the 8" diamond disk, solder the wires to a wall art, and give it a try. Lately I have bought some clear tubing to cover the wires, some waterproof shrink tubing and the Wall wart which is for a DC cigarette lighter plug. The whole thing fits great on the 5 gallon bucket. Of course, couldn't find the two soldering irons I own so went ahead and ordered a cheap one from amazon.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 14, 2024 11:11:35 GMT -5
I am a little concerned about the moror having direct exposure to the water and gunk, even if it's a washdown motor the heat is going to bake stuff on to it for us less fastidious lapidaries who don't always clean up at the end of a session. Might be more concern than needed, centrifugal force should eliminate most water exposure to the motor other than mist. How about a flange bearing on top to take most of the wear away from the motor bearings and pissibly allow for a small "cap" to protect the upward facing bearings from excess wetness? Overall, though, the "buckethead idea is fantastic, could be a nice option for windowing our finds when out digging. With something like that I wonder about improvising an anchor/base to keep the bucket from scooting that would also allow for a little tilt action as well for those who would find it more ergonomic. Will your power supply be speed control friendly? I think they all are, and if I recall the controller is pretty basic and inexpensive, sweetgumnyc on youtube has a "all in one" design that you may find helpful for that end of things. I find that at about 2k RPM and above a flat lap tends to spin all the water off requiring a lot more water to basically splash onto the rock. I run a sewing machine servo with speed control on my faceter and used belts to bring the approximately 3k motor down to 1500 RPM at full tilt boogie. Looking forward to seeing where this project goes, and especially interested in the water container if you decide to market them at some point, so much easier than gluing acrylic ones.
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Post by chris1956 on Oct 14, 2024 12:20:50 GMT -5
Wondering if the water container cap is tight enough that you will start getting a vacuum and stop water flow? Easy enough adding a hole to the top if that happens or just leaving the cap loose.
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Post by bhindzioncurtain on Oct 14, 2024 13:15:41 GMT -5
That is the great thing about this forum, members help members. I will take the advice and figure out how to improve the flat lap. I was thinking about putting a cap on the motor shaft, maybe cut the mouth off a bottle that has a diameter about the same as the shaft and that flares out enough to cover the motor mount. As far as a base I know they make plant holders which would raise the level for those that need that.
Next step for me is too actually get it running next weekend, I still work full time.
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Post by bhindzioncurtain on Oct 14, 2024 13:16:50 GMT -5
Wondering if the water container cap is tight enough that you will start getting a vacuum and stop water flow? Easy enough adding a hole to the top if that happens or just leaving the cap loose. As printed out the cap is really loose and you could probably do without.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 14, 2024 14:20:05 GMT -5
The glued acrylic tube type water containers on the Graves machines have a tiny hole drilled in them, easy to do. I am really picturing something like that for out in the field with a number of variations for the weekend prospector or out front of the saw shop to take the "nubbins" off of slabs and do a little preliminary sanding on specimen slabs while waiting for the next slabs to drop off the saw. The L shaped pieces that attach to the bucket top could even possibly support a 90 degree jig for a "bench rest" to make it an intarsia jointer. Heres the Sweetgum NYC machine. TBH I think that this one has been hit with a severe level of "scope creep", and is attempting to do a lot of things that it won't do well, but there is a lot of good creativity he is willing to share with the DIY community.
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Post by bhindzioncurtain on Nov 10, 2024 19:25:56 GMT -5
So a lot going on and finally was able to revisit my flat lap. I had to deal with an idiot running into the side of my sportscar, of course the insurance company totaled it, they tried to low ball me so I found comparables, which necessities looking for another vehicle, and almost rebuilding my Thumlers tumbler. For me it has probably cost about $100 which is still a bargain. Here are the latest pictures and you can see I got the chance to use Duct Tape. Woohoo
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