johnthor1963
starting to spend too much on rocks
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Post by johnthor1963 on Oct 10, 2024 18:10:52 GMT -5
I have a question about converting slab saw to 230 volts. I have been wondering after reading several threads on saws being restored back to operation. How many are actually using 230 volts to run these saws at a more efficient amp draw. I would like to try a rebuild in the near future ( maybe a winter project) lol. I would like to ask for feedback pros and cons of running these saws like this. Maybe if not to much to ask to see some photos of your setup Thanks for looking
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AzRockGeek
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Post by AzRockGeek on Oct 10, 2024 18:57:17 GMT -5
I personally prefer most my tools to be 120V, more universal, the only 220V in my shop is for the welder and compressor. If I was cutting for a living, I would probably convert to 220V on the saws, but I don't do enough cutting to worry about the price difference in KW. JMO.
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rockbrain
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Post by rockbrain on Oct 12, 2024 9:53:14 GMT -5
I need to get my 24 fired up again. I started to do an oil change, got it all cleaned up, and decided to convert it to 240. It's been sitting every since then and I do have some big rocks to cut. My reason for doing so is because it draw real close to 20 amps at 120v. I've already melted the end on an extension cord and that's not good for the motor. On 240v I'm somewhere around 9 amps per leg. Much more reasonable for a 12 gauge wire. Mines at my shop where I already have outlets wired for this so it's not an issue. I also have an older 12 gauge extension cord that I'll use for the pigtail. I've got the 2 pole switch for shut off and the plug ends. Just have to get off my butt and get it done.
Motors running on 240v start a little easier so they may have longer life. There is really no noticeable difference in your KW use or power bill. You cut the amperage in 1/2 but you have 1/2 amperage on 2 legs rather than one. Watts =amps X volts
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 20, 2024 9:51:57 GMT -5
I say absolutely do it, 220V motors that run 1700-1800 RPM generally are priced better than the 110V equivalent. Even though, as rockbrain said, the draw is the same, running 220 pulls from both legs and the way electric meters work a more balanced power draw does show up as less consumption in a lot of cases. Single phase won't show as much difference as 3 phase, but it all adds up over time. If you want to get into a major study you can look at power factor of the motor, power factor correction when necessary, and things like whether your utility uses time of use pricing and so on. With the 220V I would add a relay of some sort so you can use a standard switch, or even a starter button plus shut off switch like HP has to avoid the saw starting with the lid open. If you find any of my recent saw build threads I think you will see my method of wiring to include a switched box with receptacle so motors just plug into the box, makes it easy when changing motors, no crawling on the floor disconnecting wires from inaccessible panels on the back of a heavy motor.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 20, 2024 10:04:08 GMT -5
Here's the switched receptacle on a recent saw with an electric feed motor in addition to the blade motor, it looked better when I finished. With a relay a larger box would be necessary, but they aren't all that expensive. I use conduit and 12g stranded primary wire on everything, with a relay you can go with smaller wire to the switch, but since I buy it by the spool it makes no sense to me.
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johnthor1963
starting to spend too much on rocks
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Post by johnthor1963 on Oct 20, 2024 16:30:35 GMT -5
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johnthor1963
starting to spend too much on rocks
Cattle dogs rock
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Post by johnthor1963 on Oct 20, 2024 16:58:20 GMT -5
Rockoonz thx for your information very helpful so far. So far I put a 1hp motor on this saw wired every thing in 10 wire stranded , lol over kill but I had it on the shelf. I did the basic 110 voltage. Put a 3.5 “ pulley on the moter arbor pulley is 8”. I think I have 755 rpm’s on the arbor. The pulley for the drive to the drivenpulley is 4” and I need to put a 2” there to slow the feed rate down. I’m presently 2.5 to 3 minutes an inch. I’m going to have to redo the legs as you see in the picture 3 legs are trashed, so I’m going to use some angle strut on inside of legs and add 2” in height. Replacing the rear bearings this winter. I like your setup with the plugs. I’m going to switch to 220 this winter when I work out the switching. I’ve been thinking transformer and contactor for the on off switch. Thx for the help and sharing.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 21, 2024 8:56:39 GMT -5
Looks good, about the same vintage as my FranTom 18 with the grease pot on the clamping dog. The sheetmetal legs on those is a concern, seen plenty of bent ones. My saw rides around on a plywood cart with casters that came with it, and it had 2x2 boards screwed to the legs as stiffeners. I want to add the angle iron horizontally between the legs to secure them and act as a base for casters and a shelf for a kitty litter tub for the slabs. The motor mount stiffens things enough at the rear to not necessarily need the angle there but I will probably go ahead with it, plenty of steel on hand. I would definitely treat that rust with a converter or naval jelly, grind it all off, and coat with the rustoleum rust paint or POR15 to stop it, looks like it must have been exposed to the NE salted slush somehow or just general marine air. Mind the jaws on that, the HP and FranTom jaw design can bind in a way that the rock seems clamped, then slips out on you during cutting. I keep them parallel with my Jaw jacks, basically 1/2-13 bolts with coupler nuts to adjust, but many people just use an assortment of wood blocks. And a little tappy-tappy when tightening also goes a long ways to secure them, especially the difficult round rocks. I have a video showing the jaw jack and the use of a small hammer to ensure the rock is clamped. I also glue most cut rocks to boards for cutting, but that's a separate thread.
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johnthor1963
starting to spend too much on rocks
Cattle dogs rock
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Post by johnthor1963 on Oct 21, 2024 17:39:42 GMT -5
Thx Rockoonz I’ve already experienced the rock coming loose from tugging on it before sending it to the blade and 3 wood shims cured that. As far as the legs I think you hit the nail on the head with Lake Erie effect atmosphere lol. The bottom of the legs are so damaged I’m going to cut the very bottom off and add angle iron legs from about 1 1/2 “ below the tank to the floor. I first wanted to treat the legs and paint the legs. I also need to replace plexiglass on the lid I have the material just need to develop a plan. Thanks so much for your info and the interest.
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