SelenaSaberWind
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Post by SelenaSaberWind on Oct 14, 2024 12:48:43 GMT -5
Hello All!
Firstly, I'm new to tumbling, but have done a few batches of rough stone that have turned out pretty great. I ran a search on the forum, but didn't find any threads for this specific issue:
So, I bought a bunch of beads to make some jewelry with, and a lot of them look hazy/dull and I was wondering if throwing them in my tumbler might polish them up.
The beads are all different kinds of natural stones - Labradorite, Jasper, Azurite/sodalite, Carnelian, Agates, Calcite, Amazonite, White Trochus Shell, Jade, Zoicite, Kunzite, Beryl, Obsidian, Howlite, and Red Cloisnne.
I have a 6lb rotary tumbler with the option of plastic pellets or ceramic bars as filler media. I also have some "GemFoam Polishing Tumbling Media" that came with a Nat Geo grit refill set, but I haven't used it and honestly am not 100% sure what it is.
My initial thoughts were to keep them on the plastic strings they were pre-strung with and put them in my tumbler with Stage 4 grit (silicon carbide polishing grit compound) for 24hrs, checking them every 24hrs until they are polished to my satisfaction. Then wash them really well, put them back in the tumbler with a drop of dish soap, and run overnight.
Thoughts? Thanks everyone!
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Post by pebblesky on Oct 14, 2024 13:26:38 GMT -5
I don't know if keeping the beads on the plastic string would work. I would guess it will make most areas of the beads not properly polished?
If you are tumbling the beads alone, you better fill the holes with wax or something else. Lessons learned in a hard way.
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Post by SelenaSaberWind on Oct 15, 2024 2:22:28 GMT -5
If you are tumbling the beads alone, you better fill the holes with wax or something else. Lessons learned in a hard way. Actually that's why I was thinking to keep them strung, so the holes don't get packed with grit.
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Post by lordsorril on Oct 15, 2024 8:00:59 GMT -5
If your goal is just to improve the polish on the beads-then you could try just running matching mohs hardness beads in *dry* corn cob media with some good quality polish...however, rotary polish is likely to be uneven if the movement is tangled with a string. Without separating the beads: dry polishing in a vibe tumbler would be ideal for your intent.
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Post by HammyCamey on Oct 16, 2024 14:14:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this would work for the holes in the beads, without knowing how big the holes are, but thought it may be worth mentioning anyways. I saw someone on tiktok (Michael/bauerpower9000) that wanted to tumble some rocks that had some druzy vugs. He wanted to protect the crystal pockets from the tumbling process, so he filled them with liquid silicone sealant. It worked well for him, all he had to do was peel off the silicone once he was done tumbling. I'd imagine you could poke the silicone out with a toothpick or something once you've finished tumbling your beads.
I'm still fairly new to rock tumbling and haven't tried this method yet, but my thought was to take the beads off the string, separate them by mohs hardness, fill the holes, and then tumble.
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Post by Starguy on Oct 16, 2024 18:58:52 GMT -5
How big are the holes? I don’t think they would plug with grit. The edges of the holes will get a little rounder and less sharp
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Post by chaosdsm on Oct 16, 2024 20:01:29 GMT -5
I've tumbled about 24 'garnet' beads with about a 1.5mm hole drilled in them. I've not had any problems with the holes being filled, they're all fine in that regard. However, nothing I've done has made any improvement on them as far as tumbling goes This is after finishing my last polish round with 12,000 grit Aluminum Oxide. They were all mostly translucent and a plum purple when I received them, tumbling them has made them more opaque, and more than half have developed some degree of haze as seen on the one on the right. My best guess is that they had been dyed, and the hazy areas are the natural color.... Even going back to 220 grit just seemed to make the haze worse.
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Post by chaosdsm on Oct 17, 2024 10:49:40 GMT -5
If I were to try it again, I would still remove the beads from the string, keeping them on the string will cause them to get more oval shaped. No need to fill the holes in my opinion, even at 1.5mm mine stayed clean even through the 12,000 grit cycle.
I would then skip the rotary tumbler using only my vibratory, but that's a sizable expense if you don't already have one... I did the ones in the post above with Silicon Carbide at 500 grit & 1500 grit in my rotary, then because of the haze, I put them back in at 220 > 500 > 1500, finally moving to a vibratory with the 12,000 grit Aluminum Oxide. I would also use a lot of 10mm round ceramic sphere's as filler media (this might help the rotary tumbler get better results), and buy my beads from a better known company.
You might also want to get an ultrasonic cleaner just in case you do get some grit stuck in the holes. There is a chance that smaller holes could get packed with slurry, an ultrasonic cleaner cleans out grit from pockets, cracks, & holes pretty easily. Vevor makes a 650ml ultrasonic jewelry cleaner for about $30 that would be perfect for cleaning beads after polishing.
BTW... that gem foam is basically a filler material that is only intended for use in the polishing stage. Because it's porous, grit will get embedded in it. This makes it work like a felt polishing pad where you would add your polish to the felt and polish by hand. Also, it only works in a rotary tumbler, if you put it in a vibratory, it will get stuck to the side of tumbler and get pushed up above the rocks.
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Post by jasoninsd on Oct 17, 2024 11:16:28 GMT -5
There's some good input from folks who've tried what you're inquiring about...so I'll just say welcome to the forum from South Dakota!
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Post by vegasjames on Oct 17, 2024 11:21:43 GMT -5
Welcome from Southern Nevada.
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SelenaSaberWind
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Post by SelenaSaberWind on Oct 17, 2024 11:34:41 GMT -5
If your goal is just to improve the polish on the beads-then you could try just running matching mohs hardness beads in *dry* corn cob media with some good quality polish... I don't have any corn Cobb media, but I do have a bunch of little plastic pellets - do you think that might work? Thanks!
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Post by SelenaSaberWind on Oct 17, 2024 11:39:51 GMT -5
I would then skip the rotary tumbler using only my vibratory, but that's a sizable expense if you don't already have one... Yeah, money is a bit tight right now, so unfortunately getting another tumbler isn't really an option. :-( I also don't know if I'd use a vibratory one all that much.
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Post by SelenaSaberWind on Oct 17, 2024 11:41:50 GMT -5
They're 8mm beads with average sized holes - a 22-20 gauge wire would fit through it easily.
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Post by SelenaSaberWind on Oct 17, 2024 11:44:48 GMT -5
I've tumbled about 24 'garnet' beads with about a 1.5mm hole drilled in them. I've not had any problems with the holes being filled, they're all fine in that regard. However, nothing I've done has made any improvement on them as far as tumbling goes Oh no, I'm so sorry! I'd be worried that might happen to mine, as I got them all off Temu...
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Post by vegasjames on Oct 17, 2024 12:49:13 GMT -5
If your goal is just to improve the polish on the beads-then you could try just running matching mohs hardness beads in *dry* corn cob media with some good quality polish... I don't have any corn Cobb media, but I do have a bunch of little plastic pellets - do you think that might work? Thanks! You can find corn cob at feed stores really cheap.
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Post by chaosdsm on Oct 17, 2024 15:34:24 GMT -5
Corn Cob is better for polishing than the plastic pellets. Plastic pellets are a filler material, and while grit will stick to it, it doesn't really hold grit as well as corn cob does.
You could also use ground walnut shell instead, which is around $29 for a 25lb box at Harbor Freight, if you have one nearby. In terms of hardness, walnut shell and corn cob are the same for untreated media - 2.5 on the mohs scale. I think the corn cob is a little better at holding onto polish than walnut in my opinion, though both are much better than plastic pellets.
The corn cob that I've seen at feed stores is normally for small pet bedding and doesn't get graded(sized), it may also contain straw, grass, small twigs, and other foreign materials in it from time to time. Because it's ungraded, it will range in size from coarse powder (like fine corn meal) to about 3/16" chunks from what I've seen. BUT, if you buy a large bag of it, you can get it for less than $0.50 per pound & sometimes as low as about $17 for a 50lb bag, compared to graded corn cob media which is usually anywhere from $1.70 to $10 per pound.
That said, Frankford Arsenal untreated corn cob media 15lb bag is currently on sale for about $16 shipped for prime members - I just ordered another bag!
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Post by chaosdsm on Oct 17, 2024 15:59:32 GMT -5
I've tumbled about 24 'garnet' beads with about a 1.5mm hole drilled in them. I've not had any problems with the holes being filled, they're all fine in that regard. However, nothing I've done has made any improvement on them as far as tumbling goes Oh no, I'm so sorry! I'd be worried that might happen to mine, as I got them all off Temu... I'm leery of all things Temu..... For what it's worth, I don't believe my 'garnet beads' are actually garnet... they have lost a lot of mass, about 22% loss for the lot, relative to the amount of time (about 8 weeks) they have been tumbled . I'm pretty sure that's why I've been having problems with them. I have some small rhodolite garnet chips purchased from Fire Mountain that I've been putting in with them as some of the filler and those have retained their mass very well in comparison, only loosing about 4% on average.
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