mirkee
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Post by mirkee on Oct 26, 2024 17:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by mirkee on Oct 26, 2024 17:36:08 GMT -5
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Post by mirkee on Oct 26, 2024 17:41:20 GMT -5
Sorry about the difficulty with pictures, trying to master Cloudinary. Unit also came with several 12" discs labeled diamond disc. 8" paper discs are 120, 240 and 400 grit. Also an additional alumiminu "hub" with a foam piece glued on it. I'm also trying to figure out how to set up a water system.
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Post by mirkee on Oct 26, 2024 18:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by whalecottagedesigns on Oct 26, 2024 21:01:38 GMT -5
I do not know the machine at all, but it looks like a flat lap using a Velcro type lap attachment system?
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mirkee
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Post by mirkee on Oct 27, 2024 1:29:48 GMT -5
Ah...never thought of a velcro type attachment. Does that usually hold? I'll try the existing surface of the hub tomorrow to see if it's velcro. As of now it just feels soft and textured but not quite velcro. I have some very heavy duty velcro from when I was a teacher and had to keep controllers firmly attached to desks.
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Post by whalecottagedesigns on Oct 27, 2024 2:35:57 GMT -5
I have seen folks use velcro! And I assume it works quite fine. The hooks part may be on the bottom of the laps. Examples after a cursory look online: www.thk.hk/online-cart.php?cid=36
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mirkee
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Post by mirkee on Oct 28, 2024 0:18:27 GMT -5
I know so little about this stuff and I am a directions reader at heart, no intuition as to the way things work or go together. I assume that under that black foamy cover there is a nut that allows me to remove the plate and do other things with it. The black foam is definitely not Velcro and kind of disintegrating. Looks difficult to remove. Once it's off, what can I put on it. There is another plate just like it with identical black foam on it but in much better shape (the foam). Wish I could download a manual or get a copy, one for a similar machine that would tell me how to work things. I found a water supply kit on the Covington site that looks like it would work with some adaptation.
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Post by whalecottagedesigns on Oct 28, 2024 2:17:45 GMT -5
If it is foamy, then I don't understand either. One could imagine that foam could be some sort of dampener, but then the hole in the middle should be open, not closed, so as to be able to screw stuff on and off.
I suppose it is possible that that foamy thing was for a final polish, you would put some of the cerium or aluminium or chrome oxide powders on the foam to do your final polish with.
I hope somebody else on the forum can help!
My direct suggestion though is to perhaps send an email to Covington with pictures and ask them what is going on? But in any case, I would guess that it would work fine as a flatlap, you just need to get under that foamy thingamajobber and see what is happening below it. It is possible that it is a spin-on lap, so you can try to spin it off anti-clockwise? You could also go to your local rock/lapidary/gem club if you have one close and ask there, usually you will find folks who have extensive knowledge and can help further too!
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mirkee
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Post by mirkee on Oct 28, 2024 15:34:21 GMT -5
I don't think this machine was used for lapidary work. I bought because I got it very cheap, It's a Covington and it's real heavy duty. I think I will have no choice but to remove the glued on black foam from the underlying "hub". I figure spatula, razor blade pang scraper and maybe acetone at the end. I will contact Covington today and hope for answers or a link to a manual for similar machine.
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Post by whalecottagedesigns on Oct 28, 2024 20:06:43 GMT -5
This has been bugging my brain! :-) If it was not used for lapidary work, I cannot imagine what else! Pottery? Having cakes turn for putting on icing? hee hee
Is there any way you can trace back from where you bought it to speak to the person who had it?
Anyway, the basics there look fine for lapidary. Good luck speaking to Covington!
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Post by AzRockGeek on Oct 28, 2024 20:37:37 GMT -5
The disk is most likely screwed on, try turning it the direction it turns when is is running to remove it, or there could be a set screw on the bottom side where it connects to the arbor.
Depending on what your plans are for it, I would leave the foam to cushion what ever you are polishing like a soft wheel or expanding drum. If you plan on faceting, that is a different story.
You could try some of the diamond polishing pads they use in the counter top polishing, they use velcro to attach.
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Post by mirkee on Oct 30, 2024 11:20:40 GMT -5
According to the seller, he bought the machine at a government auction and machine was used at a government installation in Antartica, then transported to a base for the auction. The crating on this thing is spectacular. I will reach out to Covington and I'm glad I've waited this long to do so. The questions posed on this thread will be very useful as I talk to them. Ill report on my fingings.
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Post by whalecottagedesigns on Oct 30, 2024 20:48:13 GMT -5
According to the seller, he bought the machine at a government auction and machine was used at a government installation in Antartica, then transported to a base for the auction. The crating on this thing is spectacular. I will reach out to Covington and I'm glad I've waited this long to do so. The questions posed on this thread will be very useful as I talk to them. Ill report on my fingings. That is so interesting! But that also means it could have been used for anything scientifically! For a hail Mary pass you could email McMurdo station, I think that is the biggest American base, and ask if anyone recognizes it! Although, it is coming up to take-over time after the over winter season there so they may be pretty busy! :-)
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Post by mirkee on Nov 1, 2024 21:11:01 GMT -5
Continuing my saga of curiosity and ignorance...
The disc that is on there now is indeed a screw on. I took it off thanks to suggestions on this forum. The shaft, or spindle is 1" with coarse male threads, almost like a hose bib.
My problem is I'm so mixed up as to what to put on it and how. The existing disc is a 10" aluminum, female thread 1" with a glued on or bonded black rubber, spongy kind of surface. I don't know if I can glue polishing discs or pads to this or if I should scrape it off and start over. There is a second identical disc or hub with the same black rubbery surface which is like new.
I also don't get the references I see to a plastic or resin disc, magnetic discs etc.
I would sure like to hear about a way to get going with lapping. Just some straight forward advice with not a lot of options (I'm a little slow).
I have tried to get ahold of Covington but it's always close when I think about it. My fault..
Thank you all. I'm getting closer.
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Post by whalecottagedesigns on Nov 1, 2024 21:50:12 GMT -5
From what I can see, what I would do myself! Scrape off that gunk off the backing plate. Find some of those velcro discs to the same diameter of the backing disc. That HK site I gave a link to is one possible. Here are diamond discs with velcro: www.thk.hk/online-cart.php?cid=36Here also velcro back diamond discs: arrowheadlapidarysupply.com/supplies/velcro-backed-diamond-discs/c124?page=2Here are silicon carbide discs with velcro: www.gemcuts.com.au/silicon-carbide-disk-200mm-8-inch-velcro-backedHere are polishing pads with velcro that could work. silversmithingtools.com.au/shop/lapidary-supplies/flat-laps-accessories/4-x-6-diamond-flat-lap-disks-600g-800g-1200g-3000g-lapidary-tools-jewellery/?srsltid=AfmBOor3f7pGB54ucOQmSzXzDHHWJRhGJpERovkafHobUuJcp2nn3tHMNot the wet knobbly polishing discs for granite that one would typically put on a wet/dry angle grinder. I do not like them myself, but that is just a personal opinion. I know many folks use that. I know most of those are in Australia, I only did a cursory quick search! Also, you could actually just buy your own naked diamond discs and even resin impregnated finer discs up to 3000 grit from anywhere in the states, and glue on your own velcro backing to them. 3M double sided tape would work or any glue that can take a little heat. If you decide to go this way, making them up yourself, what I would do is get the diamond laps and resin diamond laps from somewhere like: hitechdiamond.com/collections/diamond-discsThen I would also get the sponge pads along with the resin "diamond smoothing discs". The metal discs do not need the sponge pads, but the resin ones do. So you stick the sponge pad (which already has glue on) to the bottom of the diamond smoothing disc then glue on the velcro underneath that. That way you will have some "give" under the resin pads which will help with rounding your cabochons and taking out any facets from the hard diamond discs. The set I would get is hard 80 and 180 electroplated (make sure that all of these you buy needs to be without their own backing plates), then 220, 325, 600, 1200 and 3000 grit resin "smoothing discs" (with 5 sponge pads). Then you will also need a polishing pad, also with another sponge pad and Velcro. That should cover everything! That way you can get from coarse 80 grit right through to 3000 grit and even final polishing in a way where you can change out the grits very easily! And you would have a spare aluminium backing plate. I keep editing this as I think of more, sorry! You would have to figure out a way to get water to the disc too, all of this will need water. But a gravity fed solution from a higher bottle, or even a little water pump from a water bucket should work. Hope that gives you some ideas! Theo
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Post by 1dave on Nov 13, 2024 8:05:18 GMT -5
May the lapidary Force be with you!
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mirkee
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Post by mirkee on Nov 14, 2024 19:17:41 GMT -5
You have all been so much help but special thanks to Theo whalecottagedesigns for your thorough answers. It's taken me a while to get the hang of all this, backing plate, adhesive, velcro, magnetic etc. but I'm making headway. I think the 1" male threads on mine are odd but workable. I look forward to adapting it to accept commonly available lap discs. The water part is easy and I think I'll opt for a pump with two buckets. Thank you all again. Additional hints are appreciated and I think many of us can benefit from this.
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Post by whalecottagedesigns on Nov 14, 2024 20:12:58 GMT -5
Totally a pleasure! Let us know how you go and if you need more ideas!
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 15, 2024 11:34:04 GMT -5
I met someone several years ago who was on the seasonal maintenance crew at McMurdo, he had some neat feldspar crystals from the volcano, I wonder if they were doing something with them?
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