|
Post by Jurrasic Jonje on Sept 22, 2006 20:02:04 GMT -5
are these anygood or are they junk? If they are junk whats wrong with them?
|
|
ZackAttack
starting to shine!
Member since January 2007
Posts: 45
|
Post by ZackAttack on Sept 22, 2006 20:45:05 GMT -5
Not really "junk", but they have their issues, most common problem is the drive belt. They are cheaply made, in the long run the Lortones are worth the extra price. Some folks have had good luck with them, some not so good.
|
|
|
Post by ladyt on Sept 22, 2006 21:07:36 GMT -5
hi there. Are these from Harbour freight? Blue or red barrels? My husband bought me one and I took it back. Then another person bought one and that person said the barrel wore out before 24 hours was up. The grit used for rocks is to much on the barrel. They are made for polishing brass and stuff with walnut shells. I'm saving my money to buy a thumblers vibe. Only hear good things about them. I personally haven't heard anything good about the Chicago Electric. Tonja
|
|
yogi
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since March 2006
Posts: 175
|
Post by yogi on Sept 27, 2006 23:18:32 GMT -5
I have 3 of the duel barrel tumblers, and no they are not made well. If you don't mind working on them you can get them cheep. Harbor Fright has them on sale every now and then for about $35. The belts don't last (less then a week), but Lorton belts work well. The shafts have plastic bearings that wear out quickly and the motor pulley wears out. There is a thread on the board about replacing the pulley, very helpfull. As for the bearings, I just replaced all of them on the 3 units I have. I used 5/16" ID flange bearings, @ $0.45 each (4 per unit), it was well worth the 2 hours I spent rebuilding them. For me, the 2 barrels for $35 is a good buy and the frame and motor is free. I like to tinker and building a tumbler is fairly easy but the barrels are harder to come up with. Spare Lorton barrels go for $30, so even if the motor melts down to a lump I'm still ahead. Hope this helped, Bill
|
|
blarneystone
spending too much on rocks
Rocks in my head
Member since March 2010
Posts: 307
|
Post by blarneystone on Sept 28, 2006 10:45:34 GMT -5
I bought a couple early this year...burned 'em up already. My Lortones are still turning and they are much older... It's worth the extra cash to buy Lortone. Check with Shawn at the RockShed.com he has some good deals on tumblers..... Yogi~ Did you get those bearings at a hardware store or online? I should replace the bearings in mine to get 'em rolling again... ....Oh yea...I've replaced pulleys on my tumblers with larger diameter pulleys and I'm very pleased with the results...it's worth the effort to do the mod....
|
|
yogi
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since March 2006
Posts: 175
|
Post by yogi on Sept 28, 2006 21:57:04 GMT -5
BlarneyStone, I got them from www.McMasters-Carr.com , bronze flange bearings, 5/16" ID. The OD is larger then the holes on the CE, so I reamed them out a bit with the Dremel for a shug fit, ( hint: I widened the upper part of the old hole, the bottoms of the bearings rest on the origanal hole. The beraings will raise the shafts a few 32nds, giving a little extra clearance for the lid nuts.) To remove the shafts, you'll need spring clip pliers to take the clips off, be careful not to lose them. If you want I can work up a How To and post it in the next couple days. Bill
|
|
dtcmor
freely admits to licking rocks
Back to lickin' rocks again!
Member since May 2006
Posts: 898
|
Post by dtcmor on Sept 28, 2006 23:58:45 GMT -5
I've been working with the CE tumblers for a few months now and have experienced about everything that everyone has posted here. Simply put, they are not really that reliable, and need constant work. I have made a stubborn decision (better yet, my mission) to find a way to make these tumblers reliable no matter what it takes. With some help from Rocklicker, I have managed to keep my dual 3# running fairly well, as he provided me with parts. One of the biggest issues are the drive belts that break constantly. I have had good results using rubber bands to drive them (they last a bit longer and are a heck of alot cheaper than replacement belts).
If you are willing to spend some time "babysitting" them, the CE will give you results and a good used one can at least get you started tumbling for cheap. If nothing else you can always use the parts to rig a home made unit if you are good at tinkering and want to experiment a little.
If you are looking out for the long run and something that will last, the Lortones would be money well spent.
|
|
blarneystone
spending too much on rocks
Rocks in my head
Member since March 2010
Posts: 307
|
Post by blarneystone on Sept 29, 2006 9:35:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Yogi. I'll give that a try...I'd like to get these things rolling again. dtcmor~ The belts on my CEs didn't last more than a couple of days so I bought some replcements on E-Bay and have had no problems with 'em. It's those darn bearings! The motors turn the pulleys but put any size load on 'em and they stop.... argh. I definitly agree that the Lortone's are worth the extra money... Dan
|
|
desertdweller
fully equipped rock polisher
Member since August 2006
Posts: 1,803
|
Post by desertdweller on Nov 5, 2006 13:17:48 GMT -5
This is our tumbler, it was cheap to make and cheap to keep it running. Once in a while the belt stretches but other than that, it works perfectly. When all three tires are running we can tumble about 100 to 120 lbs at a time.
|
|
desertdweller
fully equipped rock polisher
Member since August 2006
Posts: 1,803
|
Post by desertdweller on Nov 5, 2006 13:18:41 GMT -5
Did I mention that it is a little messy when we don't put the covers on the tires.
|
|
|
Post by ladyt on Nov 5, 2006 13:27:39 GMT -5
Awesome DD. What do you use for a cover? Neat idea. Tonja
|
|
|
Post by Jurrasic Jonje on Nov 5, 2006 20:00:48 GMT -5
wow now thats a tumbler.
|
|
desertdweller
fully equipped rock polisher
Member since August 2006
Posts: 1,803
|
Post by desertdweller on Nov 6, 2006 1:05:35 GMT -5
My husband made covers out of some hard plastic, actually used the lids from some 55 gallon drums that we shipped. He is so clever, he just made a hoist that bolts onto the trailer hitch so we could load boulders into the bed of the truck without killing ourselves. It swivels so we don't have to unload them either.
|
|
bigworm
off to a rocking start
No matter where you go, there you are.
Member since August 2005
Posts: 23
|
Post by bigworm on Nov 6, 2006 12:09:50 GMT -5
Ok here is the low down on CE tumblers.
1. The belts are junk throw them away immediately. 2. The motors bearings fail after about 3 to 6 months of use. 3. The plastic bearings the shafts ride on fail.
If you’re mechanically inclined CE tumblers can be fixed or rebuilt into great tumblers.
1. Go ahead and order the Lortone belts, I ordered mine from Rock Shed. 2. There is a post in this board that shows how to change the old motor with a Lortone motor, I did it and it works great. Got that from Rock Shed as well. Don't forget to order the pulley/fan because the old CE one will not work on the new motor. 3. I like the idea I saw in here about changing the crappie plastic bearings with oil impregnated bronze ones I’m working on this at the moment. I moved recently and I am just now getting around to setting all of my rock tumbling stuff back up.
As for the barrels the only complaint I have with them is that the upper lid wears out quickly, but you can call and order new ones. The barrels are also cheap to replace.
I bought the CE because I was just curious about the hobby. A friend of mine had already warned me about the belts so I ordered the grit starter pack and a belt from Rock Shed when I ordered the tumbler. After I started the CE was holding up and I really like rock tumbling so I ordered 2 more they were on sell for 30 bucks. They all eventually failed and I have been dealing with that. After you remove the junk parts it is really a nice tumbler. What you basically get are components to build a tumbler when you buy a CE.
So yes CE tumblers are a handful but in the end they are cheaper and can be pretty much turned into Lortones for less money than buying one, and replacement parts for barrels are extremely cheap. I have 3 dual 3# tumblers that have served me well they are all broken now but under going restorations and will be alive and kicking in no time. If you are not so good at fixing things go ahead and get the Lortone tumbler. It is a great product.
|
|
bitterbrook
noticing nice landscape pebbles
Always remember STEP NUMBER ONE!
Member since September 2006
Posts: 99
|
Post by bitterbrook on Nov 13, 2006 7:46:06 GMT -5
How often do those tires need alignment??
Seriously, we have a CE tumbler that we use for hardening the wire & cleaning our wire jewelry. We had our suspicions about the CE's reliability from the start but have had not troubles from them, probably because we use them infrequently.
Harbor Freight has a replacement "insurance" you can buy for a small fee. They claim you can replace any of their products that fail. I wonder if they would replace the replacements as well....?
|
|
earthdog
Cave Dweller
Don't eat yellow snow
Member since June 2006
Posts: 2,731
|
Post by earthdog on Nov 15, 2006 21:33:36 GMT -5
Boy o boy, all the negativity about CE tumblers! I have had 2 of them that the motor died but only after a year and a half. I also had the roller bushings go bad, only after a year and a half. And with all of my tumblers, I have changed the pulleys to run allot faster than stock. They run about 60rpm. I will agree the belts that come with them are junk. I have had more Lortone motors take a dump on me than the CE motors. More Lortone tumblers that would not turn a light barrel than a CE tumbler. In my opinion, I would say Lortone is just as crappy as a CE tumbler!
|
|
bigworm
off to a rocking start
No matter where you go, there you are.
Member since August 2005
Posts: 23
|
Post by bigworm on Nov 20, 2006 9:48:01 GMT -5
Not knocking the CE tumblers. Just passing on my experience with them.
I have never owned a Lortone and never will to expensive.
I ordered the CE tumblers knowing what I was in store for from reading about them on this board. The original belt broke an hour after I put it on and that was the track record for everyone of them. I ordered the Lorton belt and had no more trouble out of that. After about 6 months the bearings in the motor gave out I bough new ones and replaced them kind of expensive but worked. Those bearings made it a year and went out so I changed out the old CE motor with a lortone motor, runs quitter and I think it is stronger. Time will tell on the life of it though because about a month after doing that change the plastic bearings the rods/shafts the barrels ride on gave out and the rod/shaft ate into the frame of the tumbler so I shut it down. Then one after another the old CE motors gave out on the other 2 twin 3# tumblers I had. On a side note the single 3# CE tumbler is still going strong after almost 2 years.
I recently moved and had all of my broken down tumblers setting out in the garage with almost everything to get them back on their feet. I finally got around to ordering the bronze bearings I have been wanting to replace the plastic ones with last week.
This past weekend I dug all of my tumblers out. After cleaning them up and disassembling them I pulled the old motors replaced them with Lortone 33b motors with the metal pulleys. Then cleaned up the holes where the old plastic bearings were with my dermel and glued in some oil impregnated bronze bearings. I loaded up some barrels and they are tumbling right along.
Like I said the CE tumblers are great but they can be a handful. What sells me on CE is that even after all of the work I've done, parts I've ordered, and tools I've bought to fix my 3 CE tumblers I still saved money compared to buying 3 Lortone tumblers. On top of that replacement parts for the barrels and the barrels them selves are way cheaper than Lortone. I have rebuilt all but one of my twin 3# tumblers (it will be soon have all of the stuff) and I suspect they will run forever now.
As for the Lortone motors I will have to wait and see how they hold up.
|
|
horsinaround
spending too much on rocks
If you don't lick rocks...you ain't cool
Member since November 2006
Posts: 315
|
Post by horsinaround on Nov 22, 2006 7:45:03 GMT -5
Hi everyone, Well before I found this rock hobby site I was fixin to toss my ce tumbler out. It is a piece of junk and the support I got from customer service(harbor frieght) was less than good. After reading your posts on here, I went out and bought a bag of rubber bands and the tumbler is going strong now for 8 plus hours with out stopping or breaking down. I found that keeping the plastic bearings oiled helps with less friction. I did order the bronze flange bushings and will replace them when they come in next week. I would like a part number and point of contact for the lortone belt and pulleys used to convert my ce tumbler. We just moved out of the tidewater area of Virginia Beach/Norfolk to central Oklahoma...lordy what a difference there is out here. NO HURRICANES or noreasters..LOL Seems there is not that many rocks to find out here according to everything I have read on the internet, but thank god we are only 2 hours from any state we want to drive to..plus we have found alot of good luck finding rose quartz and other interesting and pretty rocks along the railroad tracks in our area. Has anyone tumbled any rose Quartz ? are there any issues with tumbling the rock ? Are there any rock hobbyists in the central Oklahoma area on this site? we would love to chat with you if so. Hope to hear form all of you soon Steve & Betty
|
|
|
Post by krazydiamond on Nov 22, 2006 9:48:08 GMT -5
Rose Quartz is a good rock to tumble, but does lend itself to internal fractures like amethyst, citrine and white/clear quartz. like most rocks, the better the material that goes into the tumbler, the better they come out. welcome to the board, Steve and Betty!
KD
|
|
yogi
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since March 2006
Posts: 175
|
Post by yogi on Nov 22, 2006 18:45:51 GMT -5
The Rock Shed carries Lorton replacement part
|
|