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Post by BAZ on Jan 21, 2006 10:59:55 GMT -5
Right on Chassroc, if our administration's example of Christianity is what this country should be living by, maybe I should reconsider my faith.
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Post by thehawke on Jan 21, 2006 11:13:30 GMT -5
This is just one reason the elections this year are so important. This administration has been emboldened to perform their illegal acts UPON US CITIZENS (while bin ladin runs free) because the system of checks and balances has been dismantled, with neocons in power in all 3 branches. If we want to find out why shrubya found it ok to spy ON US, then we need to send the republicans packing this fall.
And if you think the feds don't care what we do in our bedrooms or our personal lives, someone explain how DOMA passed. Why neocons find it necessary to "protect marriage." And to protect the desire to discriminate against some group, the latest, of course, being the LGBT community (that is the general you, not calling anyone out you).
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Post by BAZ on Jan 21, 2006 11:47:15 GMT -5
Yes Hawke, they need to protect the sanctity of marriage... AND HOW MANY FREAKIN' TIMES HAVE THESE PEOPLE BEEN DIVORCED!?!?! While our late family friend stayed with his partner until they day he died, seemingly more commonplace among the LGBT community. Oh, that kind of human bond is something to be feared?
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thehawke
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Post by thehawke on Jan 21, 2006 11:59:29 GMT -5
Well, i love my sister alot. In the time my wife and I have been together, she's been divorced twice and married 3 times. I am in a joking way dreading the state supreme court decision here (which should be coming ANY OLD TIME NOW) because my family will most assuredly demand a big wedding. BTW, we celebrate 11 years in May.
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Post by xenaswolf on Jan 21, 2006 12:05:26 GMT -5
Gratz on 11 years Hawke. Tami and I just had our 5h anniversay on Xmas. One good thing about Pierce County, they already have the no discrimination because of sexual orientation in housing and hiring. Which reminds me, I gotta get her ring fixed....*makes note to self to talk to Doc.
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Post by gaetzchamp on Jan 21, 2006 12:36:15 GMT -5
I really think that some of you may be a little too paranoid. It's OK to feel this way in this day and age. It's OK to question and think and discuss, but to get worried about mistyping a phrase and having the Federal BI show up at your door is laughable. I would guess that they would be looking for patterns in your searches and not just a one-time shot. There are also so many websites out there that promote such terrible things that they don't have to look too far for these idiots, they just come to them.
I feel for any president who runs this country. He will always be in lose situation. If a dirty bomb explodes in America's heartland and later it is found out by a "9/11" type commission that it's planning could've been tracked thru Google Talk or the Internet, everybody points a finger at him and calls him an idiot. Next time these guys attack and 30,000, 300,000 or 3,000,000 of us die and it could've been stopped thru wire-taps or internet searches, then they'll be hell to pay. These terrorists are dead-set on killings us and will not stop at anything. How do we protect our country?
What are we willing to accept for reasonable protection of our country, our kids and our kids' kids? Should we freak out if we mis-type a phrase in an internet search? I don't believe so.
Until this country gets united again, we're in a serious world of hurt. I can't believe we have drifted so far apart since 9/11!
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Post by thehawke on Jan 21, 2006 13:20:55 GMT -5
After seeing this (mis)administration in action, I just cannot be surprised any more by their blatant disregard for the Constitution. And THAT is much more of a crisis than people disagreeing. I am NOT under ANY circumstances willing to give up the rights guaranteed to us under that constitution. I love the quote by Ben Franklin: They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security |
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Post by xenaswolf on Jan 21, 2006 13:31:51 GMT -5
Until all are equal in this country like it says in the constitution, we will continue to disagree and drift apart. Until every man, woman and child are afforded the same rights and liberties, this country will be torn apart.
I don't feel sorry for the President of this country at all. They knew what they were in for when they ran for election. If a person is gonna work that hard to get a job, then they should buck up and take the bad with the good.
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Post by KG1960 on Jan 21, 2006 13:39:08 GMT -5
Ditto:
I love the quote by Ben Franklin:
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security
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Post by parfive on Jan 21, 2006 14:07:22 GMT -5
They who would give up a two day burnish for temporary shine, deserve neither stars nor shine.
Ben Rocklin
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Post by gaetzchamp on Jan 21, 2006 14:18:46 GMT -5
The President does take the bad w/ the good, but when the terrorists come back and hit us again then it will be you that asks "why didn't he use all the powers and technology at his hand to stop these guys" and want off w/ his head. You can't have it both ways!!! I didn't mean that I feel sorry for him because he didn't know what he was getting into, I meant that he'll ALWAYS be criticized on EVERY decision he makes and he will NEVER win or be able to get ahead.
As for Ben Franklin's quote, what the heck does "temporary" security mean? What liberties are we giving up here? I have every right to talk to I want to, write to whomever I want to, do whatever kind of searches I want to. Noone or government is taking that "essential liberty" away from me. I haven't given up anything!
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Post by xenaswolf on Jan 21, 2006 14:29:09 GMT -5
LOL now I know why Mama always told me not to talk about politics or religion in a public forum...folks can get real upset  * goes back to waiting on her rocks to polish* |
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Post by thehawke on Jan 21, 2006 14:30:22 GMT -5
he swore to uphold the constitution. That is his only job. To uphold the constitution of the United States. He has failed to do that in so many ways.
Glad you haven't given up anything, gaetzchamp. Glad you are not on the no-fly list like so many critics of this administration. Glad you don't face wholesale discrimination by this government as we do. We pay first-class taxes for 3rd-class citizenship. Glad you are not having your phone calls listened to without a warrant. Seriously, I am glad. But not everyone has found it as easy as you have. People have been declared "enemy combatants" with no access to the legal system. Nevermind that the US Supreme Court actually DID try to check the administration on that. The administration still holds people illegally.
Nevermind that Human Rights Watch once again castigated the administration for its PUBLIC stance on torture.
He had one job to do, which is uphold the constitution. He has been a miserable failure in doing this.
What does temporary security mean? It means that pseudo-security offered to us in exchange for our fundamental liberties to the right to privacy, the right to avoid self-incrimination, the right to worship as we see fit. That is no security. No one should be able to stomp all over the constitution in the name of security. If this is allowed to continue, then we may as well admit right now that our democracy is dead.
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Post by hermatite on Jan 21, 2006 14:32:36 GMT -5
I'm a poor immigrant girl and new to the ways of your country, but I'd like to add this. This whole debate makes me glad. Why glad? because I know that many people from other counties think that everyone in the US acts like George Bush, thinks like George Bush, and supports George Bush. That's why the US's image in other countries is so tarnished. But discussions like this (and I commend you all for keeping it civil and intelligient) prove that this nation is full of individuals, each with their own ideas and concerns and that the goverment does not reflect all of them fully. Nor, I believe, can any government. That is the nature of the beast. But if only the rest of the world could peek into forums like this they'd find that people here in the US are just the same as they are. Let me leave you with one thought...I don't know who said it first..."people get the government they deserve".
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