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Post by Original Admin on Feb 17, 2006 21:09:19 GMT -5
Dudes - I just had this thought.
Ok - in the 60's and 70's loads of vids were taken of UFOs, all grainy and wot not.
Back then only x% of the population of the planet had home Camcorders.
Now - y% have a camcorder.
x is far far far far less than y - and yet the number of ufo recordings has dropped to almost zero?
I would normally expect - in a true situation - that the rate of captured visitations would grow in proportion to the rate at which the general population begins to own recording equipment.
However this has not happened.
Hell - where have all those UFOs gone.
Am I talking crap - or - should this statement be true.
************* The rate at which UFOs are captured on camera is directly proportional to the density of camera ownership across the planet. Given that the rate of visitation by aliens remains constant. *************
Any views are appreciated.
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Post by Alice on Feb 17, 2006 21:15:25 GMT -5
Mark, the UFO sightings recorded with camcorders today are all pretty much all proven hoaxes. Makes you kind of think that maybe the ones in the 60's were hoaxes too. Nobody had the technology back then to prove that they weren't real.
Back then everybody believed pretty much everything that was filmed or photographed. We're much smarter these days. It's very common now days for the every day Joe to modify pictures, and make things look real on their computer. Nobody believes anything anymore
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Post by Cher on Feb 17, 2006 21:18:59 GMT -5
I believe but my hubby laughs at me. I'm just of the opinion that Who am I to think we are the only intelligent life form in the vast universe. I figure the aliens took a good look at the fighting going on in this world and decided to look elsewhere for an intelligent life form.
The craze was so big back then that everyone and their brother was outside watching the skies. Now it's just become another one of those "things" that no one does anymore because they are to busy in the house sitting on their arses playing with xbox, playstations and computers. The only muscles people have anymore that are really getting exercise are their fingers and thumbs. ;D
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Post by Toad on Feb 17, 2006 21:26:00 GMT -5
Who thinks of this stuff? I want to know what you're smoking Mark. Despite that, a very astute observation. This obviously means there are no aliens. Or maybe they're just vacationing on Venus now.
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Post by docone31 on Feb 17, 2006 22:03:51 GMT -5
Mark, they have been photographed. They are in league with politicians and we are the Winston Smith's of the present day! Dentists have been putting chips in our teeth, and the Electricals are using us for batteries. I get sites from folks all the time who are seeing this as a conspirecy. Effectively, we are their energy source, an unlimited source from neural synaptic responses. Go ahead, film an alien, send in your tape, get censored, get removed and have your family discredited. Then the thougth police grind you up in a blender, and you are processed for proteins. Before they grind you up, they put a cage on your head, fill it with rats, and give you an hallucinogenic. Be careful, they have ships and they are underground. they have been preparing this for generations. Their world is dying, and ours is available. They are terraforming, creating a micro ice age from global warming and melting glaciers to eliminate the Gulf Stream, which will freeze Europe. That is why it is so important to make tinfoil hats, and put 9volt batteries in our mouths! It shorts out the chips in our teeth, and the tinfoil hats prevent microwaves from altering our awareness of our surroundings.
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Post by joe on Feb 17, 2006 23:39:19 GMT -5
Maybe we don't see them anymore because their mission is accomplished?? -Take me to your leader...
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rollingstone
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Post by rollingstone on Feb 18, 2006 1:07:46 GMT -5
Mark, IMHO the answer to your question is that aliens have never visited Earth, so there are no aliens around to photograph, only hoaxes to create.
To anyone interested in this kind of thing, I have to recommend a fascinating book, fascinating to me anyway. It is "Where Is Everybody?" by Stephen Webb, published in 2002. More fully, the title is "If the Universe is teeming with aliens...Where Is Everybody. Fifty solutions to the Fermi paradox and the problem of extraterrestrial life." It gets a bit scientific in places, but you don't have to be a scientist to get a lot out of it.
Basically the book explores possible answers to the paradox stated by the great physicist Enrico Fermi...which is basically the title of the book... if there are so many aliens out there, then where are they? Obviously it is much easier to signal someone at interstellar distances than to actually make the trip, so a lot of the solutions explore interstellar communications and the problems with that (huge energy demand to send signals effectively, maybe everyone is listening and no-one sending, maybe we are listening for the wrong signal, maybe we have received the signal and just don't recognize it, etc.)
The author looks at 50 possible solutions to the paradox, and explores each one as to how likely or unlikely it is. This includes the usual explanations such as intelligent life destroys itself before it has been around for long (or other disaster scenarios), the development of intelligent life is incredibly difficult, we are the only highly advanced civilization, and so forth. But there are some that I thought were really neat such as we are the first species to become capable of interstellar communication, tool-making among intelligent species is rare so most intelligent species aren't capable of interstellar communication or aren't interested in it, or we are part of an interstellar ecological reserve where other species have agreed to leave us alone and see how we do. And Mark would probably be keen on the solution that considers that humans have developed a very unusual type of mathematics compared to other species, which means our devices and listening techniques don't match those used in the rest of the galaxy.
Anyway, a very interesting read. I don't agree with his conclusion (and I won't spoil the ending), but the book arms you with good information to better draw your own conclusions.
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Post by sandsman1 on Feb 18, 2006 1:39:22 GMT -5
all i know is if there out there i wanna meet them befor i go -- and my hopes are high-- maybe they will say hi one day wile im walkin around in az haha---if they do ill get them to take a pic with me for ya's
I WANT TO BELIEVE------
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Post by stoner on Feb 18, 2006 1:52:45 GMT -5
Some may be hoaxes, but how does one explain when thousands of people in Mexico see the same UFO at the same time?
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Post by rockds on Feb 18, 2006 2:25:34 GMT -5
UFO sightings are in direct proportion to acid users - haha. Nope I think they are out there but I have yet to see one. I've never seen a million dollars either but doesn't mean it doesn exsist.
robert
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Post by rollingstone on Feb 18, 2006 2:54:11 GMT -5
I have a difficult time believing that if aliens were visiting us that they wouldn't make their presence well and truly known. Well, a UFO is an unidentified flying object, and there are lots of objects in the sky that are unidentified, but I don't believe any of them are aliens.
I do however believe that life exists elsewhere, and with 100,000,000,000 suns in our galaxy, I think it is almost certain that several dozen of them harbour planets with life as advanced or more advanced than our own. But when you look at the energy requirements and technological hurdles needed to cover the huge distances from even the closest stars, it just doesn't make sense to make the journey unless you are certain of finding something worthwhile at your destination. Sure, you might send an unmanned (or unaliened) craft to take a look, but sending live bodies is a whole different ballgame. Just look at how we can send lots of probes to Mars, but sending a person involves at least a trillion dollars and hurdles that have yet to be overcome. Now imagine doing that for a place that is 100 light years away, or 100,000 light years distant.
IMO, it makes far more sense to make a connection with any alien society by some kind of radio transmission or laser communication, so we should be seeing hundreds (if not millions) of these before we could even think of seeing one alien who has actually made the journey. There are some intriguing possible SETI signals, but nothing that is certainly alien, and I find it very difficult to believe that our first contact with aliens will be in the flesh, particularly since there are some quite advanced SETI searches underway now that should pick up the much cheaper radio contact first. My 2 cents.
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Post by thehawke on Feb 18, 2006 4:07:47 GMT -5
i would think if UFOs have the technology to travel across galaxies, they probably are able to do it without being detected.
FWIW, I'd volunteer to go into space and travel to Mars or wherever they'd like to send me. I've had a fascination with space since I was a little girl. My teen years were spent reading Omni. I loved that mag.
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Post by rollingstone on Feb 18, 2006 4:51:57 GMT -5
Hawke,
You are probably correct that if they could travel 100's or 1,000's or more light years to get here then they could also figure out how to go undetected. But I'd have to ask, why would they bother to go undetected? If they can send their species across the vast gulf of space, they would be so incredibly advanced compared to us, why would they possibly care that we were aware of their presence?
If we found something akin to mice on Mars, would we try to hide our existence from them?... I don't think so. So why would aliens with interstellar travel capability worry whether us lowly humans knew that they existed?
For all of history, humans have had a remarkably inflated view of our importance. Only a few hundred years ago, the Earth was considered to be the center of the Universe. Once we figured out that was not true, we then thought the Sun was the centre of the Universe, so we were pretty much still in there. Now that we are just circling an ordinary star in an ordinary galaxy, well, that's a bit disturbing to us humans. I don't think aliens capable of travelling between stars would consider us anything other than a lowly species with perhaps some potential, but nothing worthy of trying to hide from the "great" humans. ;D
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Post by sandsman1 on Feb 18, 2006 5:31:09 GMT -5
i would think with all that knowledge they would be smart enough not to show there face to the frail skittish humans because we might blow ourselves up trying to kill them because they can see we cant even stop killing each other ---and I'm sure they would fig out if we seen them we would go off and start shooting hahaha so if i was them and needed something here or wanted to watch whats going on id stay hidden also
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Post by hermatite on Feb 18, 2006 8:46:49 GMT -5
Maybe the aliens know how many camcorders there are now and are just being more careful to avoid being recorded. Personally, I live with two cats...they hork up more alien lifeforms than I've ever seen in my life.
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Post by KG1960 on Feb 18, 2006 10:29:42 GMT -5
It's the mice! They're the aliens! Just like Douglas Adams said.
Really, I can't imagine that earth is the only planet in the whole universe that has life. I just don't think any has visited here.
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Post by BAZ on Feb 18, 2006 11:50:26 GMT -5
A lot of the sightings were probably government aircraft anyway.
We live in a rural part of Arizona. Situated between a few military installations. (Luke to the south, Nellis to the northwest etc.) and I always see stuff flying around overhead during the day. From F-16 to Stealth fighters to B1 bombers. As an aviation enthusiast I know where lights on aircraft are supposed to go and what sounds like what... but I have seen some pretty silly stuff flying around here at night! I realize I risk sounding like a kook but I don't think that they are aliens, I think they are our aircraft (built by aliens!) Haaa! Just kidding. (I think) Who knows?
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Post by xenaswolf on Feb 18, 2006 14:40:02 GMT -5
This discussion is similar to ones about ghosts...Some people believe, some don't. Some think that its possible.
My question is...what would it take to make a hard core sceptic believe? Is it even possible to make someone believe that doesn't?
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Post by parfive on Feb 18, 2006 15:12:26 GMT -5
Republican ideology is alien enough for me. Gimme little green men any day.
Actually, the little green men landed in Louisiana after the hurricane. But they left cause there was no leader to be taken to.
Rich
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Post by Alice on Feb 18, 2006 15:43:20 GMT -5
Suppose there is intelligent life out there. I would think they would probably send out a probe first to find out if there is life here on earth (kind of like all the probes we've sent out to mars).
After learning that there is life here on earth, I would think they would send out another probe, or even stick their own satellite near by to observe us first to see if we are of any threat.
Now suppose they believed we were of no real threat, and decided to send a craft over with a few of their more intelligent scientists, or even their species of highly trained "monkeys" to see if their life forms could take earth's environment, etc... (Crash in Roswell, NM)
If the crash in New Mexico really happened, and there was alien life forms on board... The government probably took them in and did experiments, and probably dissected them.
Ok, if they were dead I can see any life form (ours or theirs) doing this to learn about other species. But if one was alive, we'd probably cage it and try to observe it from behind bars or behind glass in a sterile room. The alien would either be presumed dead on it's planet, or the alien sent out a signal saying "I'm captured, don't come here... this is a cruel race".
If this alien is presumed dead, and they continued to observe us with their "satellite", they would very clearly see that things would not work out if their presence was known. #1 we are a very violent, and territorial life form. Why would they risk having their "people" captured, or blown to bits?" They would have to invade earth with millions of their "people" in order for them not to be captured. Send a hand full of their people over here, and we will out number them, capture them, and stick them behind glass to observe them. It's very unlikely that the government will allow these aliens to roam around the streets. #1 there may be a wide spread panic, #2 people may end up smothering the poor things... Just imagine an alien walking down the street, and peoples reactions. Some might see them as a threat and shoot them.... and there would be a war of the worlds thing.
Well, I can keep going on and on about this, but I think this is long enough for now. But to make a long story short, I can see why they would not like their presence be known.
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