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Post by xenaswolf on Feb 23, 2006 13:06:12 GMT -5
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thehawke
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Post by thehawke on Feb 23, 2006 13:15:31 GMT -5
you are just NOW getting scared?
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Post by texasrockhound on Feb 23, 2006 13:17:07 GMT -5
Bush, talking to reporters at the conclusion of a Cabinet meeting earlier Thursday, said that "people don't need to worry about security.".....
Or domestic terrorism..or illegal immigrants...or the budget deficit...or the trade deficit...or the never ending war in Iraq...or wiretapping...or CIA operative identity leaks...etc...
where will it end? I miss Bill...I need a good sex scandal to take my mind off of all this mess....
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Post by KG1960 on Feb 23, 2006 13:20:43 GMT -5
I had to read the article in today's paper three times to make sure I read it right. Unbelievable.
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Post by LCARS on Feb 23, 2006 15:09:54 GMT -5
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Post by Tweetiepy on Feb 23, 2006 15:13:47 GMT -5
I've actually been scared for you guys since seeing Fahrenheit 911!! Here also folks are pretty stupid, with this last election I thought they would re-elect the idiots who spent our money on personalize golf balls & idiotic advertising scandals - I think I liked Clinton better, I mean it was dumb, but it was a personal dumb thing to do! I still remember Bush senior saying that no one could make him eat broccoli now that he's president - I mean that could be a clue as to the quality of the man,s brain! (Disclaimer: This message does not impart in any way the opinions of other Canadians - just this one who always has rocks in her head!)
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Post by earthdog on Feb 23, 2006 15:52:08 GMT -5
Xena, I thought I told you we need to get that cabin way up in Alaska, where nobody will be able to find us, or hurt us.
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Post by thehawke on Feb 23, 2006 16:20:58 GMT -5
You LIKED Reagan?  Are you NUTS? He presided over what basically amounted to genocide during the start of the AIDS crisis. He and his cronies basically worked with Iran to steal the election from Carter. You know, that whole Iran-Contra deal? Reagan started the modern era of monumental crookedness. Frankly, Clinton is often considered the best republican president this country has ever had. |
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Post by BAZ on Feb 23, 2006 18:43:10 GMT -5
LCARS, that's a good site, seen it a long time ago but thanks for reminding me. Think I'll make a post there!
Earthdog, can we be neighbors?
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Post by Cher on Feb 23, 2006 19:07:51 GMT -5
I've been scared ever since Bush was elected, I'm praying we survive
but I don't know how with Bush doing stuff like this. Well you asked
what was he thinking, it's plain and simple that he wasn't. He doesn't
know how. Just remember his father and his "Read My Lips" bullsh!t.
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Post by krazydiamond on Feb 23, 2006 19:16:04 GMT -5
good site, LCARS...reminds us all to try and make a change for the better, to vote, to help, to comment, to speak out against injustice....(oops, slipping back into the 60 and 70's i am..)
it's easy to point fingers at ineptitude, it's hard to correct it.
i try not to get political in here, but sometimes, i just can't help myself, kinda like eBay.
KD
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Post by thehawke on Feb 23, 2006 20:27:29 GMT -5
He didn't even know about this til it was a done deal. Think bush is the real president? Think again, my friends.
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Post by thehawke on Feb 23, 2006 20:28:37 GMT -5
If you can ignore a few minor dramas, a great site (which I admin, btw) for good political conversation and research is unfilterednewsnetwork.com |
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Post by Toad on Feb 23, 2006 21:56:26 GMT -5
You LIKED Reagan? Are you NUTS? He presided over what basically amounted to genocide during the start of the AIDS crisis. He and his cronies basically worked with Iran to steal the election from Carter. You know, that whole Iran-Contra deal? - Genocide generally means extermination, right? Who was exterminated? - Supplying arms to Iran? Seems like the right move now, eh? - Ended the cold war, tore down the Berlin Wall, got us out of a recession. What a monster... |
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Post by Sabre52 on Feb 23, 2006 22:46:59 GMT -5
I'm with you Toad. Reagan was a great American President! Not given nearly enough credit for what he did for all of us. I like Bush too and am not afraid to say so. Too many folks are under the mistaken impression that freedom is free, without sacrifice, and an entitlement. In my opinion, Clinton and Carter, the last Demo presidents were an acute embarrasment to our country and when not outright criminals like Clinton/Gore with their selling out to the Red Chinese and North Koreans, were totally ineffectual like Carter. Carter was a nice guy but 18% inflation under him and a totally ridiculous foreign policy. You rule by strength not by compliance with your enemies and we'll always have plenty of those simply because everyone else is jealous of all we have...especially the gift of freedom!....mel
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Post by thehawke on Feb 23, 2006 22:59:48 GMT -5
I guess if you haven't experienced his oppression first-hand, if you haven't seen your friends die because the government, Reagan's administration, decided to officially ignore the issue of an epidemic in the making for over 5 years, maybe you cannot understand the consequences of his policies. If you were not personally affected by a Supreme Court decision which outlawed your right to privacy (Bowers v. Hardwick, 1986), maybe you cannot understand (the decision was made with the new appointees to the court which he installed. Luckily, O'Conner effectively changed her vote a few years ago when the Supreme Court decided that sodomy laws were an unconstitutional invasion of privacy).
Ask his good buddyNegroponte (now head of all spy agencies) about the administration-sanctioned death squads in central america. There's a great one for ya. I'm sure there are plenty of survivors of victims from the death squads that just loved the policies of the reagan administration. I hope you are aware that the reason that the soviet union collapsed is because of huge deficit spending done by the reagan administration. They were trying to keep up with the jones'es. There are political scientists out there who credit Glasnost for the beginning of the end of the USSR more than Reagan's irresponsible defense spending.
Speaking of irresponsible, giving weapons to Iran made as much sense as the weapons the Reagan administration supplied to Iraq. When we see our M1A1's blown to hell by our own TOW missiles when the bush administration invades Iran, you can thank Reagan for that.
I'm sure if you ask air traffic controllers, they totally agreed with his firing them. That is why they fully supported the renaming of National Airport (this paragraph is said with a large amount of sarcasm).
And uh, if I remember correctly, the stock market pretty much crashed in '89. Are you saying that the impetus for that crash did NOT have its roots in the previous administration?
Then how come Clinton, who presided over the most growth in wealth this country has ever seen, is large blamed by those on the right for causing the tech bubble burst in 2001?
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Post by thehawke on Feb 23, 2006 23:09:41 GMT -5
I'm with you Toad. Reagan was a great American President! Not given nearly enough credit for what he did for all of us. I like Bush too and am not afraid to say so. Too many folks are under the mistaken impression that freedom is free, without sacrifice, and an entitlement. In my opinion, Clinton and Carter, the last Demo presidents were an acute embarrasment to our country and when not outright criminals like Clinton/Gore with their selling out to the Red Chinese and North Koreans, were totally ineffectual like Carter. Carter was a nice guy but 18% inflation under him and a totally ridiculous foreign policy. You rule by strength not by compliance with your enemies and we'll always have plenty of those simply because everyone else is jealous of all we have...especially the gift of freedom!....mel LMAO!!! You think Bush is not a criminal? Have you forgotten that little investigation about the outting of an undercover CIA agent working on IRAN that has snared the vice-president's chief of staff (ummm the Valerie Wilson affair)? Have you so easily forgotten the illegal, unwarranted domestic wiretaps admitted to by this administration? Are you proud this administration flat out LIED to its citizens and its allies to get us into an unnecessary war? Are you PROUD that as of today, 2286 of our soldiers have died for these lies? Are you PROUD that this administration whipped us into a frenzy about "homeland security" for 5 years in order to get us to willingly give up our rights entitled by the US Constitution now says we have nothing to worry about when they sell us out to a country that had an integral role in 9/11? I'd rather none of our presidents be an embarrassment to the country. But what is going on now makes the Clinton embarassments pale in comparison. And for the record. I served. Many of my uncles served (One died in WW2). My grandpa served. So I do know a thing or two about sacrifice. And now, I know about foolhardiness and false bravado. |
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Post by akansan on Feb 24, 2006 1:10:11 GMT -5
I guess I don't equate doing little to stop a growing disease that little is known about with outright genocide. Genocide is actively seeking the extermination of a population. Now if you're saying Reagan and his buddies caused the AIDS epidemic specifically to do away with the homosexual population, then I'd say you would have reason to call it genocide. But that's not what happened. What happened was a population that was considered lesser, a population that was considered undesirable, was just ignored. As tragic as it is, you can't blame a President for something a majority of the country was doing at the time.
As for the death squads in Central America...those policies have been in place ("death squads", assasins, etc.) long before Reagan was ever in office. EVERY President has authorized such squads. EVERY President has had to make a choice between life or death. EVERY President has had his faults.
And really, only history will tell whether the choices being made in a country were the correct ones or not. No one can take an impartial view of events happening during his lifetime. It seems it's human nature to pick at the sitting President, especially if you didn't vote for him. I had plenty of issues with Clinton before the Lewinski affair. I have issues with Bush. Blind faith in any person is stupid.
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Post by thehawke on Feb 24, 2006 1:14:45 GMT -5
His press secretary joked about it in a press conference. That is deplorable.
BTW, In keeping with this board's very friendly demeanor, I am going to leave the political discussions to my board. If you wish to continue such discussions, you will likely find many smart folks ready to discuss the issues with you. But I'll tell you, they are all a bunch of flaming liberal progressives, as am I, in case you couldn't tell. But I WILL promise that ideas only will be attacked, not attacks on anyone as a person. I won't tolerate that.
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Post by Sabre52 on Feb 24, 2006 12:50:34 GMT -5
hawke: Maybe we should just agree to disagree re: politics *L*. re : The aids -genocide rant though. That"s just plain silly. If anyone is a fault for the aids epidemic it's people within our population who choose high risk lifestyles. Aside from the exceptions, like blood transfusions etc, if you engage in unprotected sex or use injectible drugs and share needles you are engaging in an activity that is dangerous just like if you were a high diver, a mountain climber, a heavy smoker or such. These risks are the indivudual's own personal choice and it's these individuals or the individuals they engage in activities with who are the only folks at fault. I don't beleive the epidemic was ignored and there was certainly no attempt at genocide. There's a lot of diseases that require attention and everyone who is ill or dying deserves our sympathy. Apparently this particular issue is a personal thing to you just like cancer is to me and mine but why should an disease that involves personal choices that result in infection and illness be treated like anything special as opposed to all the rest?.....mel
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Are you NUTS? He presided over what basically amounted to genocide during the start of the AIDS crisis. He and his cronies basically worked with Iran to steal the election from Carter. You know, that whole Iran-Contra deal? Reagan started the modern era of monumental crookedness. Frankly, Clinton is often considered the best republican president this country has ever had.
