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Post by hermatite on Apr 23, 2006 14:38:28 GMT -5
I have two cats...mostly love em (hey...they puked on the down duvet...was NOT a love in). However, our cats are indoor cats. I lived in a neighborhood where the folks..nice, loving folks, i'm sure, let their animals roam. And those family pets decimated a colony of purple martins....grantd the birds put up a noblefight. They'd hunt at feeders...after a while it was pretty depressing missing the birds. Was this the cats' fault? nope. But woud I gladly have shot one? Yep. If you love your pets look after them. Don't let your dog crap on the neighbors lawn. Don't let your cats kill whatever occurs to them.
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Post by Original Admin on Apr 23, 2006 14:42:44 GMT -5
No worries - your cats are safe - I would actually NEVER kill a cat - however I do think to myself this kind of thing. "God I'd have killed that cat if I'd seen it playing with that bird before it killed it." Domestic cats are wiping out vast numbers of birds in the UK alone. Hundreds of thousands per year so I read. Its kind of "uneaven" and "unnatural" - for a bird population to be hunted into the ground due to us humans pampering this animal - which is as many say - a predator. I would say that about 3 times per week I hear blackbirds singing their warning song as a cat approaches. I hear the stories of cats killing whole birds nests and hunting out the chicks as they first leave the nest. I see cats shitting and spewing bacon rind in my garden. *****I see cats scaring the shit out of my rabbits - on MY LAND?? What the hells that all about - someone elses socalled "pet" shitting on ME and scaring MY animals on MY land???"**** No - I see little point in rearing such a predatory creature to be honest. In the above context between the ***** - I have EVERY RIGHT TO KILL that cat LEGALLY - and where I live - that would surmount to around 1 cat per month. But I dont. I just put up with the SHIT. So thats where its at. Mark
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Post by Cher on Apr 23, 2006 16:55:00 GMT -5
I didn't find Mark's response cold, callous, shocking or anything else but honest. It's a big problem here in the US too Mark, there's thousands of cats that people say are their "pets" but they let them run. That's why I had the symbol in my first post when I saw the picture. I don't think it's one bit funny but debated whether to stay out of it or not. We all do have the right to our own opinion and as much as I love all animals, I hate it when people let their cats run free. I feed birds, I have had "neighbors" cats coming up onto my deck trying to catch a bird in the feeder. Cat's have always been called "mousers" so why don't they go after the mice? 90% of the time, they go after birds for sport only, and torture the birds by "playing" with them. A few years ago, I had a pair of Eastern Bluebirds nesting in my yard. After the female had laid four eggs, we noticed the male sitting on the wire calling softly but no sign of the female. We found her "remains" under a tree where a cat had caught her and killed her. I love indoor cats, I hate outdoor cats. I now have a live trap, if I can catch them the police take them to the vets office. I am also sick and tired of seeing them (the cats) smooshed on the roads because their "owners" let them run. It's not natural instinct anymore for housecats to catch birds. Now you also have to consider the fact that if your cat is out catching and killing birds, what's the chance that it might contact bird flu and bring it home to you or your children. Wisconsin is considering a feral cat hunting season, I don't know if it passed or not. From what I've read, in Minnesota and South Dakota it's legal to shoot feral cats. It's also estimated that Minnesota alone has over 1 million feral cats. Our town has a cat leash law, I wish the police would get off their fat a$$es and start issuing fines - big big fines. Cat people should be held responsible for the cats they get, just like dog people are held responsible for their dogs. And another thing ... this one really burns my butt. It's very common now for "cat" people to take their cats in and have their front claws removed. Then they turn around and let them outside. Ok, it makes it harder to catch a bird but it also makes it much harder for the cat to protect themselves. Ok ... off my soapbox. I'm sorry, I've probably bruised a few people here and I apologize in advance. Like I said, I love cats, but it's a lose - lose situation, cat's should not be allowed to roam free.
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Post by Original Admin on Apr 23, 2006 17:27:49 GMT -5
If you raise a predator - you should be able to keep it on your own land. If you cannot do that - and in addition to that - you do not care that other people dont want your cat on their land - then - well - what more do i need to say? Basically cats aint right for pets - unless the 100 people in your vicinity like having their gardens SHIT ON. Hey cat owners - just out of interest - how would you like a FACE FULL OF CAT SHIT as your hover mower skims your strangers CATSHIT on YOUR OWN LAWN??? Well? A fair question? Ive had it - how would YOU deal with it.
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blarneystone
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Post by blarneystone on Apr 23, 2006 18:28:32 GMT -5
The problem that Mark describes isn't caused by cats & dogs but by people. Killing cats doesn't solve the problem and if it's wrong to raise predatory animals then by all means let's get rid of dogs too! After all, hundreds of PEOPLE are killed or maimed by dogs in the US every year. Hell...why stop there...doctors kill LOTS of people! Lets get rid of them as well!! Lawyers too! ..just 'cause I don't like 'em! ;D
Mark - you sound pretty angry about the problem and I am too but i think you're blaming the wrong species...
I too think that pet owners should be held responsible for the well being and safety of their pets and those whom they come into contact... human or otherwise. If you're not a breeder get your pet fixed.
...and as for hunting feral cats...personally, I don't hunt it unless i plan to eat it..can't see myself eating cat..can you? I know it's more expensive to trap and care for them but I think it's the right thing to do because WE caused the problem in the first place. I feel like we just want to punish the victims of our own stupidity and laziness.
It's funny how people think it's perfectly okay to hunt feral cats but I bet those same folks would never hunt down and kill a dog just because it's loose. Again...why punish the victims...WE caused the problems...if it really burns you..do something positive about it...but if you're just angry and looking to take it out on something...go ahead..kill a cat.
I too must apologize for bruised feelings in advance..it's a touchy subject and I will always take the side of the defenseless. Most of 'our' problems we caused ourselves.
Guess I've said enough...no hard feelings everyone.
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Post by Original Admin on Apr 23, 2006 18:45:13 GMT -5
"The problem that Mark describes isn't caused by cats & dogs but by people" BlarneyStone :- I reckon no person on this friggin planet has the total information and whatever to know EVERYTHING. It is at this point that whilst I dont like the death dished out by the cats -= that I must say that we on this planet dont know shit all. And thats not optional. We dont know anything. Dont get me wrong or anything like that - but really - in the grand scheme we know nothing. So cats will be cats and marks will be marks. Do we all feel that Mark
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blarneystone
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Post by blarneystone on Apr 23, 2006 18:55:59 GMT -5
"Not-knowing is true knowledge. Presuming to know is a disease. First realize that you are sick. Then you can move toward health" - Lao Tzu I must be pretty healthy 'cause I don't know what br] means...something good right? I feel ya Mark...I wouldn't take that shit either...lol!
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WyckedWyre
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Post by WyckedWyre on Apr 23, 2006 19:08:41 GMT -5
I have 2 house cats that I dearly love. They do NOT go outside and so kill only the occasional rodent that is unfortunate enough to wander inside.
I also maintain a feral cat colony - every night I feed and water 7 of the little buggers. I have trapped and paid for the sterilization of all 7 of them, in effect cleaning up someone else's irresponsible mess. Every once in a while they leave a dead bird (or a decapitated Barbie doll or a hair tie or a piece of duct tape) on my doorstep as an "offering".
It's kind of a drag, because I no longer have a bird feeder or birdbath, I don't encourage any birds to come into my yard. But, I do enjoy the feral kitties...they are very much a pride of mini-lions.
God made predators and He made prey. Such is life. S
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Post by Cher on Apr 23, 2006 19:14:59 GMT -5
Susan, hats off to you for going through the extra effort to sterilize them!
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Post by Original Admin on Apr 23, 2006 19:15:39 GMT -5
BlarneyStone - we drift though space and time - and not one of us knows the score. not one of us. And - well - thats got to be a good thing? ? Im not sure. I feel good to bring folk together about a topic though and that topic is rocks. and that cannot be messed with etc. Rocks - back to the grit at 80 or the shit at this is too soft for 600 and whot not. Pls dont get me on the death thing as thats where I normally end up and Im fed up with it but its where i normally start thinking about things. things.
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Post by Original Admin on Apr 23, 2006 19:19:46 GMT -5
BTW - Im more than capable of ***killing*** everything I see - but I dont.
I dont see the ****fun**** - or skill in KILLING animals.
we are all animals anyway
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Post by Cher on Apr 23, 2006 19:24:53 GMT -5
I'd rather shoot animals with a camera. *smile*
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Post by parfive on Apr 24, 2006 15:25:42 GMT -5
Good ol' Lewis wasn't messin' with no birds, he went after the top of the food chain:
House arrest for attack cat Fairfield neighbors terrorized by Lewis DANIEL TEPFER dtepfer@ctpost.com A ferocious feline terrorized a quiet Fairfield neighborhood, to the point that residents are seeking help from the law to stop the so-called "Terrorist of Sunset Circle."
Lewis, a 5-year-old, black-and-white longhaired cat, attacked at least a half-dozen people on the cul-de-sac and even took on the local Avon lady, neighbors say.
"He looks like Felix the Cat and has six toes on each foot each with a long claw," Sunset Circle resident Janet Kettman said. "They are formidable weapons."
Kettman said Lewis attacked her twice.
"I was walking along the sidewalk when he sprang at me. I never saw it coming, but that's how it often is. He comes at you from behind, springs and wraps himself around your legs, biting and scratching," she said. "The last time I had three bites and eight scratches and I ended up at the walk-in clinic.
"The Avon lady was getting out of her car when Lewis attacked her from behind," Kettman said. "She ended up going to the hospital."
Kettman called the Fairfield Police Department's animal control officer.
"I don't feel the cat could kill anybody, but it could latch onto people's legs and arms and bite and scratch to the point where they could be hospitalized," said Animal Control Officer Rachel Solveira.
Solveira was so concerned about Lewis' attacks in the neighborhood of neatly kept homes off High Street that she placed a restraining order on him. It was the first time such an action was taken against a cat in Fairfield and possibly in the state. In effect, Lewis is under house arrest, forbidden to leave his home.
Solveira also arrested the cat's owner, Ruth Cisero, of High Street, first for failing to comply with the restraining order and then for reckless endangerment.
At first, the restraining order allowed the cat limited freedom if Cisero gave him Prozac. But the cat refused to take the drug, Cisero said. And it got out of the house and attacked another neighbor, Maureen Bachtig, according to police.
"I felt Lewis' claw on my left leg and I shook him loose, he then lunged and clung to my right leg, leaving one very deep puncture wound, one long deep gash across the top of my knee," Bachtig told police. She refused to discuss the incident with a reporter. Meanwhile, the Avon lady, Donna Greenstein, filed a lawsuit in Superior Court against Cisero. She refused to comment on the case.
A tearful Cisero said the neighbors have spun the situation out of control.
"I've tried to tell them to just stay away from Lewis and he will stay away from you; this has caused complete havoc for me," said Cisero, who has applied to the court for accelerated rehabilitation — for the cat.
Cisero said she adopted Lewis three years ago and he never attacked her or any members of her family. "He's a cat's cat, he climbs trees and sits on people's roofs but now he's forced to be in the house all the time."
She theorized that Lewis may be acting in self-defense. "One day he came home covered in eggs because someone had egged him and another time a woman sprayed him with a hose. They have been tormenting this poor animal."
But Bachtig sees a more sinister side to the feline.
"The neighborhood is afraid of this cat," Bachtig said. "Lewis will stare you down, and you never know how he will react."
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WyckedWyre
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Post by WyckedWyre on Apr 25, 2006 13:31:08 GMT -5
I wanted to attack the Avon Lady, but went after the Jehovah's Witnesses instead. YOU GO, LEWIS! S
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Post by Bikerrandy on Apr 25, 2006 20:21:21 GMT -5
So, what did y'all think of the pic?? ;D lol
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Post by Cher on Apr 26, 2006 11:15:13 GMT -5
Randy, your brat is showing. ;D
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Post by WyckedWyre on Apr 26, 2006 11:52:41 GMT -5
Cute, Randy. S
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Post by hermatite on Apr 26, 2006 13:11:50 GMT -5
There was a picture?
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Post by Bikerrandy on Apr 26, 2006 17:05:39 GMT -5
Darlins ;D lol
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Post by Original Admin on Apr 26, 2006 17:38:04 GMT -5
Couldnt believe it - there was a dead Starling in the garden yesterday. A cat had not had it - it looked too perfect with its feathers intact etc. I couldnt see any shot wounds either. Seek out the Kitty Cannon game - its good fun Biker Cheers Mark (PS I kill nothing and I hate to see things dying - that just about sums it up for me).
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