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Post by BAZ on Jul 14, 2006 15:39:36 GMT -5
I don't know if a lot of people know this, it was news to me. Yesterday I went in for a DOT physical and my blood pressure was very high. I came in for a re-check today, still high, however the nurse also took a reading on my other arm and it was significantly lower. (low enough for them to be able to renew my CDL med. card) The nurse said it is common for one arm to read differently than the other, just thought I'd pass that along to y'all. (especially Xena!)
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Post by docone31 on Jul 14, 2006 21:31:19 GMT -5
I am left handed. I have always, for my DOT used my right arm. My left arm goes off the scale. The same when I have given blood. When I use my right arm, my primary blood test fails. When I use my left arm, the iron is acceptable. I give blood from my right arm, my left arm is real slow. My blood pressure is 250/60. My entire family is Scandanavian. We are tall arctic dwellers. That is normal blood pressure for my family. To date, no one is recorded as having died from heart anything. Most live a long time, my grandfather, Grumpy, lived untill he was 98. He lost both his legs logging, and still got around. He lost his legs when he was 25. He logged untill he was 84. He had a fantastic collection of swede logging saws. 2ft., 4ft., 6ft., all hand powered. At 84, he went into business making his saws, and other's saws. Nurses do not like me, as I growl. I do not like them because I can install needles better than they do. Besides, they wear scrubs rather than the cool uniforms they used to. Times have changed.
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Post by BAZ on Jul 14, 2006 23:12:17 GMT -5
250/60? Jimminy Christmas Captain Aneurism!!!
I wouldn't know about the Czech side of me, maybe it is common on that side of the family but my dad hasn't been to the doctor since 1959 so I wouldn't know if his is up there or not. He drinks, smokes, gambles and eats sardines and crackers and other bizzare stuff that would probably drop a Hippo. Yet he just keeps on keeping on without a sniffle.
I'll bet Grumpy could talk some stories. (?)
I dunno Doc, something about scrubs on a nurse that still do it for me.
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Post by Slydog on Jul 15, 2006 14:05:00 GMT -5
You absolutely cannot argue with 'good genes'. Long lived parents tend to have long lived children. But--you can't count on it. And some people are just plain luckier than others. There is no way of telling which group you are in, so us luck-less folks try to stack the deck in favor of living a little longer and a little healthier by 'following the rules'. It sucks. And by the way, I, like all my co-workers, wear scrubs. I fail to see anything remotely 'inspirational' about the dam things. But they are provided free, they are clean, and no one worries when **** happens to them.
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Post by docone31 on Jul 15, 2006 20:02:27 GMT -5
Something was lost, when nurses stopped wearing seamed white stockings. That is all I can say. However, with the "new" times, something is really lost, when a Tranny wears seamed white stockings, when all the other nurses are wearing scrubs. Kinda makes a person want to die rather than pay for medical care, if that is what it is now. I won't even go into when I walked into an hospital with a body core temp of 82* and all they did was hand out forms when I couldn't even grip a pen. Not that I would have signed anything anyway. I walked out, started my jewelery business and the rest is history.
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Post by llanago on Jul 16, 2006 18:13:41 GMT -5
Something was lost, when nurses stopped wearing seamed white stockings.
I bet ya' liked 'em wearing those high heels too!
Kinda makes a person want to die rather than pay for medical care
Heck, these days ya' might die in the hospital from staph, misdiagnosis, crappy doctors, etc. They'll kill ya', then send your family the bill!
No offense to the nurses! My neice is a RN - ICU trauma care. If it wasn't for the nurses, there's no telling how many people the crappy doctors would kill.
I'd rather be treated by my dog's Vet than go to the hospital! Costs just about as much though.
llana
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Post by LCARS on Jul 17, 2006 2:06:33 GMT -5
After reading all this BP talk I decided to do one of those drugstore BP tester deallies just for kicks today while I was there. I can't remember the exact reading, something like 165/something & pulse rate was 70 bpm I think. At any rate, according to the scale on it my BP was in the upper part of the normal/avg range.
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Post by Slydog on Jul 17, 2006 14:45:01 GMT -5
You know, 'they' recently changed what is 'normal' blood pressure. Then again, hard to say how accurate the machine was. And the high cost of medical care--thank the lawyers and insurance companies for the majority of that. Cost is outragious. There is a new macular degeneration med available now, brand name, etc. Cost: $2000 a shot. But---before this there was a 'no name' shot of the same stuff available---for $30 a shot. Can you spell G-R-E-E-D and Avarice??!!!! Shame on them! Hospital costs--crazy. A big part of the problem is little or inusfficient reimbursement from the government, and 'abusers' of the system. We MUST treat any one who walks thru the door, even if they just come in narc seeking or attention seeking. It happens on a huge scale, costing all of us working dummies tons of money every single day. Now the clinics have started a new policy---patients must pay upfront, or pay $50- or more on their bill in cash before they will be seen. So--build a better trap, build a better mouse. The result is that all the people who weren't paying their doctors before are now coming to the ER for cough medicine, a fever, a sore toe, a bug bite and so on. Costs us TONS of money as none of them ever pay. And this kills me--I swear nearly everyone who comes in under these conditions has a cell phone and cigarettes with them! Priorities! Has anyone ever heard of priorities!!??
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Post by takilasunrise on Jul 17, 2006 15:18:37 GMT -5
Slydog...............Yep, just like my job...........they come in for foodstamps and medical, but they have that cell phone, leather coat, expensive athletic shoes and so on and paying $1,000.00 per month for rent but tell their workers that their boyfriends don't live with them.........I just don't get it!
I am so grateful that I have great health insurance through my job. I just can't imagine what people do when they don't have insurance and they are legitimately sick or hurt. I was very glad when they opened urgent care clinics that are open 7 days a week. I would have hoped that would have cut back on the frivilous use of the emergency room for things like a cold. I remember going into labor and I was told to check in through the emergency room if it was after hours. When we walked in, the place was packed. Luckily, they called the OB ward and they came and got me...but I had thought what if you were really sick or hurt, needed immediate attention, but maybe it wasn't obvious what was wrong with you, that you would have to wait for all those other people to be seen first? And you could see with most of them, it wasn't a life or death emergency.
I guess that really didn't have anything to do with blood pressure..............anyway.......I know the last time I went in mine was a little high, but I had just got a call from my daughter right before my appt. that she'd been in a car accident (no one was hurt). The doctor said that would do it! That's strange....I didn't know you could get different readings from each arm.
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Post by Duckbean on Jul 17, 2006 16:20:23 GMT -5
Don't trust the readings you get from the machines in drug stores!There set up and forgotten. Hey Doc some one told me that they really liked the scrubs because they made him think of the nurses and aids were all walking around in their pajamas! I also hated it that they changed the French maid uniforms! That's some kind of reading Doc . Would think you would just pop like a balloon at that high a pressure!
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Post by docone31 on Jul 17, 2006 17:24:25 GMT -5
You oughta see me bleed when I get a deep cut! I have never needed antibiotics. Anything less than 20 stitches, and it just goes on, and on. Over that, and the blood sets height records! I heal quickly though. I can take out my stitches in less than four days. No bleeding, unless I have to cut the skin to get at a deep stitch. Even when they amputated my teeth, they had frozen and fractured into the jaws, with the jaws also, the deep stitches were irritating. Even though they were self dissolving stitches, I had to cut into the alveoplasty and take out three stitches. Scrubs do not cut it. The make everybody look like they have gas. The old nurse attire commanded respect for the trade. The nurses held their heads with honour, their stature commanded respect. The nurses today have too many helpers, nurse assistants, nurses aids, nurses organizers, no wonder they need to wear scrubs. They are so tired from managing so many assistants, they cannot sleep and have to wear pjamas to the shop. A nurse in a scrub says to me, I do not care about you. This does not mean this is true, it just makes a statement. When a Dr., comes out in scrubs, it tells me he is ordinary. He went to Johns Hopkins, or NYU Medical school. I have also found, Drs., that do not wear scrubs do not have to do the work twice. Just my musings on an hot day. Perhaps I will go and yell at the cat, she is in heat. When I show the nurses I make jewelery my scars, and tell war stories, they turn white and talk to my wife. Especially when they see the scar from the vitreal humour freezing on my cheek bone, and the bone mass on my anterior cranial sinus from freezing. I let them try to find C3 from the third time I broke my neck and they start shaking. I am missing 2/3 of the vertebrae in the back of the spine. I have the first Lennox/Hill knee. A man who cannot be beat, won't be beat!
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Post by Slydog on Jul 17, 2006 20:00:36 GMT -5
All right, Doc---tell us the whole frozen story!!! And how you lived thru it. But I'm sticking to my scrubs--they rock! They'd have to give me a raise to get me to wear a white uniform! I guarantee, neither of those things will happen! Now tell us the story!
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Post by docone31 on Jul 17, 2006 21:46:46 GMT -5
I was in Alaska, living off the land. I had gotten my Phd., and thought the entire world had gone crazy. I had already broken my neck in three places, on three seperate occasions, my spine in two places on two seperate occasions, blown both rotator cuffs, broken my Lennox/Hill knee, tore out the A/C ligament on my other knee, deorbed my right eye with the corner of my right mandible. Both arms had been broken on two seperate occasions, and my sternum dislocates ejecting the right side of the rib cage on occasion. Now there I am, virtually homeless. Jobless, overqualified, with experience, overeducated, and I get a notice of my Phd. At this point I thought the entire world had gone insane. People looked like talking heads and they talked in languages I did not recognise. Women became men, men became women, everybody got offended at everything. Homeless shelters turned away the homeless, food kitchens fed middle managers and turned away children, single mothers. My church terminated me as pastor as I went totally homeless to find out how to help the homeless. I had gotten sick of chairing 50$ plate dinners for this charity, 100$ plate dinners for that charity, and the charity did not recieve the money and they did not help the charity they said they did. The day after Thanksgiving I walked into the woods outside of Anchorage. I had a denim jacket, my Buck Knife General and went for a walk. I returned to where I had started, and was turned out into the snow! I do not do street corners real well so I just walked. I avoided people, houses, everything that looked like man. I hiked a lot of roads untill north of Nome. From there I went to Arctic Village, from there I went to Barrow. Come breakup, I hiked north. I stayed on the ice all year. I slept on the ice. Mosquitos do not fly over ice. I learned to survive. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed being away from man and his things and the heads that bob up and down and words that say nothing. About the third year, I met a person about November. That person was doing the same thing I was doing. Only he was dumb, inexperienced you might say. He was going to die from stupidity. We started walking, talking, hunting together, trapping, I was trying to teach him how to live up there. He and a bear had an argument. He lost, I lost all my gear, tools, skins, food, clothes. It was -65 without windchill. I had two shirts, sweatshirt, pair of jeans and my Frye Boots. Old faithul. I still have them. I wore them to Woodstock. Best danged boots I ever had. I had to either walk, or die from stupidity. I was about 100 miles from anything. Stop moving, you die. Hands in the pocket, shoulder to the twilight, I walked. I lost time, lost track of anything. I kept moving. It was awful cold. The skin on my scalp split, my forehead, my forearms. I had my hands in my pockets, the skin on my wrists got brown/black, my forearms split in several places. The skin on my quads started hurting, then the skin split in the middle of the quads. I started to shiver, inside. It started slowly, then my eyes froze. When the eyes freeze, the eyelids stay open. First each step, the ground started bouncing, jarring. Then it got slowly hazier. My tongue got real large, hard, my lips got hard to move. There were pain points all along the edges and middle of the lips. Then my left eye stopped tracking. That must have been when the split in the lower part of the eyeball occured. I couldn't see much at that point. It was like looking through eyes that had been in an overchlorinated pool, only much hazier. I was getting an headache. My nose, and upper sinuses felt like I had two Mr. Misty Freezed in a row and slammed them. My lungs had that pain also. My breathing was very hard through my nose. It felt like I had huge boogers, but I could not move my fingers to pick them. It was actually my nostrils swelling up. I felt colder and colder. My forehead was hurting. When I went to touch it, I cold feel sharp points over my right eye. It was very hard to put my hands back in my pockets. I could barely bend my knees. I ended tearing the meniscus in my left knee, both anterior, and posterior. My legs went numb. I kept walking if you would call it that. More lugging than walking. If I stopped, it would end there. I started shivering so hard, I loosened up. I never stopped shivering, it just felt like a bad cramp. I had ice on my arms, top of my hands outside of my pockets, I could feel ice on my nose, forehead. I do not know how long I walked, or how I got to the medical facility. All I remember is somoeone opening the door for me, people gasping, someone gave me some coffee. I spilled the first cup, I was shaking so badly I could not hold anything. The coffee was brought to my mouth. It hurt! I got some in my mouth and I felt this incredible pain in my upper, and lower jaws. People were scurring around me. someone took my temperature. I had the slip for a few years. It was 82*. Someone shoved some paperwork at me, someone else wanted to know how I was going to pay. Pay for what? I was outta there! I left. I had some travelers checks, and believe it or not, most do not except the Drs., I have seen since, I got on Alaska Air in Fairbanks, flew to Seattle, Bled in a real bad shelter for three months. In at 8:00PM, up at 5:30AM, on the streets staying out of trouble untill I could lay down again. I took Greyhound from Seattle, to Key West, bleeding and making people stare all the way. I couldn't really talk, my face had black scabs all over it, my hands had black scabs, I bled through my shirt, ears, eyes, nose, mouth, legs. I couldn't eat. I broke out in sweats, freezing spells. I would shiver, then sweat, then shiver. My skin was turning yellowish. My hands were on fire! They hurt. My eyes felt the same. I had snipped off the bones sticking through the skin with fingernail clippers I got at a dollar store in Seattle. The skin was healing slowly. I got to Key West. There, living on the streets, I met Mel Fisher. I was feeling pretty sorry for myself and he walked up to me and said, "Kid, today is the day!" If I had had the energy, I would have kicked the daylights out of him. That son of a.... I also did not know he was dying of cancer. He came to me one day, with an Atocha coin. He said, if I could wrap it, he would give me 20$, and maybe one more to do. I knew what the coin was worth, I could have bolted. I got some copper wire, wrapped it. He liked it. Gave me the 20$ and said he knew he could trust me. I was broke and homeless, but I never begged, or stole. I met my next wife two months later, I brought her shop out of bankruptcy, became a jeweler. I spent three years on Duval street. I bled for that time, my eyes kinda got better. I need magnifiers to do anything. Bright light hurts, my left eye is still like I am just out of an overchlorinated pool and turns deep red a lot. Wife took off, left me in the lurch, again..... met this wife I have now. She was a throw away also. For six years we have walked shoulder to shoulder. I am teaching her to be a fine jeweler. Taught myself to repair, cut gemstones, to silversmith, crochet silver and gold. I just did some work for Gangrela, and Luna, his wife. I am glad I did not stop to rest. I wouldn't have been able to get back up. I miss the arctic. It is my home. I am diagnosed as having fatal hythermic shock. The coffee shattered my teeth into the bone, and the bone around the roots. I lost the ability to taste. I cannot really feel my fingers and my vision sucks. I have four pairs of glasses. Each for different stages of my right retina shifting. My eyes do not focus real well. I lost the cartilage in my mandible at the corners, my knee, the Lennox/Hill knee pops out of the femur. I lost the cartilege between the radius, and ulna, and humerous. My elbows lock up, my shoulders do not allow movement especially over my head. My ears have been ringing loudly since then. My wrists have much less movement, my ankles are rigid. When I get near cold, it is not cold, it is painful. Even rain on my back is extremely painful. When I went back to the Northwest after all the fun and games, even a slight chill and I get real sick. My feet go numb, my hands go competely numb. My eyes however get better vision. I completely lose any appetite, and my body goes real cold. My wife won't let me go back. She is afraid she will lose me very quickly. When I had my teeth amputated, they chill the room. My body started dropping temperature and did not stop. My heart got slower, and slower. It just started shutting off. I was anesthetised, and it was a tail spin. Teeth had to come out, so I had to do it differently. I had an oral surgeon. He heated the room, changed the anesthesia, and went quick. I walked out to our van, walked into the house and slept for two days. Middle of summer, with the heater on in Floriduh! One speculative theory is, I have high blood pressure. That allowed more blood to flow during my injury. I am also Swedish, stubborn. Who knows, I made it. I am no longer a pastor in a church. I run our jewelery store. I have an alcoholic who came to me and now has 8 days sober! Maybe tomorrow he will have 9. I see him every day. Maybe next time I take a sabatical, I will try the Carribean. Of course then, some person will have a Junta and I will get broiled in the sun. Hey, why not? Life is an adventure! Today is the day!
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Post by Slydog on Jul 17, 2006 22:39:33 GMT -5
Holy crap--you lived a ton of lives already! But I'm still curious--what were the prior injuries from? It's an impressive list. One of the docs I work with is an 'ex-risk taker'. Eventually he learned, but he has some interesting injuries. Let's see--best I can come up with--one time walking my dog at night, in the winter, I slipped and fell on my own leg and broke it. Heard it crack. I was lying on the sidewalk, but we had huge snowbanks--so no one from the road could see me, it was after 10 at night. Try crawling up to a stranger's door in an 'old' neighborhood with a 70# dog in tow---sucked.
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Post by docone31 on Jul 18, 2006 7:58:39 GMT -5
I broke my back, and neck, parachuting. Back in '76 I had a double parachute malfunction. The main horseshoed around my left foot, the reserve went into the main. 40 seconds later, I hit the ground. 14 months in a body cast, 22 months in an HALO. I blew out my right knee body building. I was on 'roids, getting massive, and leg pressing 1800lbs. The muscle held, but the bones went into mush. Right there, right then. Before 'roids, I was 165lbs, after 'roids, in competition shape, I was 365lbs, 24" neck, 70" chest, 32" waist, 32"quads. I was in the military, took a bayonette in my left leg, bullet in my chest. Still got the bullet. I am a pastor. I did seminary at Yale, my masters from Brown, my Phd., from Columbia. I have crabbed in the Bering sea, done free diving, worked part time as a skip tracer. Not bad for a man of the cloth.
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Post by Slydog on Jul 18, 2006 10:32:48 GMT -5
Well, I guess that's enough excitement for a lifetime. Kinda funny that you ended up with such a 'tame' hobby, rock collecting, jewelry. Probably for the best! And I wish you much luck with your new 'friend', hoping you can steady him. Alcohol is intyeresting, I swear it can kill you in a hundred and ten ways. Just saw my first death from alcoholic cardiomyopathy, and I didn't even know there was a relationship between the two.
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Post by stefan on Jul 18, 2006 14:56:42 GMT -5
Just had to say HI to Llana!!!! nice to see ya poking around!!!! hows the trailer holding up? (wern't you gonna re-model it or something?)
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Post by BAZ on Jul 19, 2006 20:54:20 GMT -5
Dang Doc, have you ever written a book about your life? I would read it surely.
I had my wife in the ER 2 weeks ago, she has been in 2 times before. Everytime I am there I look at all of the drunks and druggies that you all HAVE to help and hope that they are paying you enough. While we were there a gang banger took a swing at a male nurse (a big fellow who promptly had the kid pressed up against the wall) and another jackass who jumped out of a moving sherrif's transport and landed on his head at 30 MPH. There were 5 deputies in front of this guy's room, I guess they were making sure he didn't escape, even with a broken neck.
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Post by Slydog on Jul 19, 2006 21:48:50 GMT -5
Way true, Baz. That is exactly the way it goes. On ugly nights, we always ask the docs if we can cut to the chase, and put out an Atavan salt lick and a Vicoden dispenser in the lobby---. To be honest, I treat everyone with dignity. Doesn't mean I believe the lies, etc., but each and every one that I deal with, I treat with dignity. It's not always easy, but at the end of the shift, I can live with myself.
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Post by docone31 on Jul 19, 2006 23:45:48 GMT -5
I honestly believe, almost all medical care professionals really start out trying, willing to sacrifice their all. Wanting to make that one difference. Then they meet patients. I have a feeling, with all the crap, crying wolf, and just scams, people become immune. Somehow, some folks feel Drs., are there for them exclusively. On the few occasions I have any contact with Drs., when I leave, they speak well to me. I tell the surgeon, just before I close my eyes, "I know you are human". That relaxes them. Then, when I get my eyelids twitching, I tell them, "I know what school was like for me. I missed a few classes myself. My life is exclusively in your hands. You control whether I live or die, right here, right now. Did you take all the classes that might pertain to my individuality and reaction to stimuli"? Then, as I go to sleep, I tell them... "Today is a good day to die!" I am Scandanavic. That is our fatalistic perspectives, and living each day as if it is the last. It kinda rattles them then. As I pass out, I see them looking at me. I try to explain, but I usually fall asleep. Then they treat me as if I am a child. As soon as I can, usually when my eyes are open, I get up and start walking around. I walk into walls, once I went into the lobby and fell over someone. I do not let anyone help me. My wife usually warns the people, and they take me out the back. Once I get home, I walk into the house, get some coffee, barf, and then sleep for a day or so. When that day is over, I am up and working on the yard, house, jewelery. I have learned, do not repair after surgery! It gets expensive. A lot of Drs., have pulled my stupid butt out of the fire. A lot of nurses have gone beyond the call to do their craft. To them, I owe my grattutude. Those beauracratic, politically correct, money takers who shattered my teeth, and just gave me policy crap when I was dying, I do not respect them. I have met a lot of really decent, caring people in the medical profession who are just worn out from the work load. Even then, they give it all. Most have shown me, honour, dignity, and real care for the finished product. I have certainly been a challenge to most of them. I know it, they know it, and we do seem to get by. My late stage, chronic alcoholic, lost soul, now has 9 full days without a drink! I walked him through the DT's, he is working for me and doing better, and better. His family is talking to him again, although tentavely. His eyes are clearing, the yellow is going away, his skin is clearing up, his hands are not shaking so much. He has hope. I thought he was hopeless, as most of us are. Over 20yrs ago, a stinky, rugged, alcoholic showed me how to live without the booze, now it is my turn. I may not weild a scalpel, but a lifetime of being thrown out of anything I cared for, maybe now I can give back what was given to me. He might not stay sober, but at least he has had 9 full days. There is nothing that ruins a good drunk than having had hope, and knowing you do not have to drink. Almost all of my injuries, excepting body building, and Alaska, were from being a dead drunk. I had last rites three times. During that time, I suspect there were a few Drs., that wished I was somewhere else. People like me break people's hearts. We try every story in the book, every lie, every con. Everyone knows but us. We just keep conning. Even then, I was treated with as much dignity as they possibly could. I did not deserve it, but they were strong anyway. I was a mess, but, they did what they could. They helped me, now, I am helping however I can. I cannot ever repay them. I do not know who they all were. I can, tell a fall down drunk like I was, I did not drink today, and he does not have to either. Maybe someone reading this thread, met someone like I was and tried to help. Maybe that person just disappeared and no one knows what happened to them. It has been over 20yrs, and you helped me. You might not have thought so, but what you said made all the difference in the world. I do not even know your name, nor do I remember your face, but I remember your heart. Even though you were tired, disgusted, and I stunk and was really stupid, you gave me a chance and you treated me with honour. All my degrees, all my prestigious positions, and I couldn't put the plug in the jug. I am alive today, and I have hope. It worked.
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