Don't you just hate,

Wait a minute. He said he hated computers talking to him over the phone making him choose options other than english, a language....he didn't say he hated other people or races.



Actually, I was simply attempting to clarify that I, myself, harbor no hate towards any group. Sorry if you take offense to the way I view the world, but I can indeed make decisions and vote on issues, whether they be political, economic or otherwise based on informed facts and not emotions. And I certainly don't cast my vote to hate on a group of people.



I guess you read what rhodescabbin has posted in this thread? Do you dispute what he's offered here? Do you honestly want to try and convince me that I have absolutely nothing to fear from illegal aliens after the facts have been posted? I also read the papers and the internet. I also read our local paper and the page where the daily arrests are noted. The statistics tend to agree with what rhodescabbin has stated about illegal aliens. And I'm supposed to embrace this? Sorry. I can't do that with a good conscience.

I'm sorry that people struggle outside the USA in many places. But I guaranderntee ya I spent years living paycheck to paycheck myself. An accident in 1986 left me unable to lay carpet for awhile which is what I was doing for a living at the time. Had it not been for my sister bringing me to her own home, I would have been homeless because I lost my apartment.

Nobody, and I do mean nobody has ever given this here redneck west texas Bible thumping a**hole a gawwdamn thing that's for sure.

Also, I love the Spanish language and took 4 semester in college. I could have chosen any language. The OP is not about the fact that Spanish is being used more and more but that English is being used less and less if you ask me.

I'm not pissed and I don't want you or anybody else to be.

Remember my words earlier.....

this issue has to be addressed in this country and it has to be a FAIR thing. We are reasonable as Americans. This can be resolved. It may not be to EVERYBODY'S liking, but if it isn't addressed, this issue could finish tearing this country straight in half.

Now, THAT would be a shame.

We're Americans and we need to resolve issues and go back to the days of honest debate between people. The freaking poltical parties and celebrities have taught us to act like them.

We need to wake up and talk to each other. Honestly.

I'm for peace on this forum and I don't wanna offend anybody here either. I try to use some levity with my points. Personally, I thought the rat with the human ear growing out of it post was hilarious, but I'm a bit different.

How does someone who entered the country illegally <deserve> to stay? No logic there.

If someone made a strong case for allowing some illegals to stay here based on what they are able to contribute to society, I could be persuaded into something like that IF the illegals were made to return to wherever they came from after a period of time and come back legally. But good grief, twelve to twenty million illegals allowed to stay and thumb their noses at our laws and our people, I just can't agree to that.

And no one here HATES anyone. But several of us are pretty d*mned angry at the situation we've allowed ourselves to get into. To me, there are only three ways to go from here.

(1) Secure the borders. All of them. Don't care how, just do it.

(2) Make a concerted effort to identify and deport as many illegals as we can. For those of us who feel some of these illegals deserve to stay, prioritize who we go after, starting with felons and other criminals. Hell, at least it's a start.

(3) Change the laws so that:

(a) a child born to an illegal does not automatically get citizenship here just because of where he/she was born.

(b) illegals get NO government assistance for anything. No welfare, no medical care, no nothing.

(c) illegals would not be able to send any dollars back to Mexico or wherever they came from.

And for the record, Canadians don't do just fine with two languages. Aside from the huge expense of printing everything in two languages and maintaining two separate cultures based on language, the two sides resent the hell out of each other. Is no one here old enough to remeber the Quebecois (sp) secessionist movement? Go to Montreal and pretend you're an Anglophile Canadian; they will treat you like sh*t. The only way to get someone there to speak English to you is to tell them you're an American.

I'm done, I'm gone. Let's talk about rocks, hey? Anyone know what this is?

I shall now resort to my last and best defense when engaging in any sort of argument:

1) plug ears
2) shut eyes
3) LALALALALALA I'm not listening! LALALALALALALALALALA

I agree about the courts and sealing the border. The land of opportunity means many things to many people but it isn't FREE. We have LAWS. Turning our collective heads while LAWS are broken is simply the first step to anarchy.

If you don't have to obey a LAW, what the hell good are they? None!

You may as well start pushing #2 on the phone now.

Well....lol...that approach is what got us here.

But, I freely admit, sometimes it seems like the route to take.

In my eyes, it all boils down to one simple concept. "consumption"

take a look around oneself and see all those things you don’t need. I mean really don’t need. They pile up, one upon another until we have a garage sale or take them to goodwill. What were they for, were did they come from. Who made it and for what real reason.

How far can money take you?

Supply and demand and the fast dollar is what lead us to this situation. America populates consumption to the greatest measure in history. But what really does it do for us? Are we really better for all these things we consume?

The problem has been around for much longer than modern times. But at the rate of population growth locally and abroad. it is greater and effects more people. good or bad.

What can we do as a person with common since and a family to feed? We look to save money on every level we can, no matter if you counting pennies on the corner, or swimming in them way up at the top. We all drive to be better, and to most that means to make more money. OR to take care of family that has been neglected through the ages.

I know its idealistic and most would say it means nothing. But to me, it means allot when I save money by simply not consuming things that so often are what others say I need. In the bigger light, we all know what we must do, besides speaking ones mind.

And that is to remember life always perseveres and comes through. And things that have no nature except to make someone’s pocket book fatter, has no merit to be anything but a failure of that persons creativity. To be productive is not to make money, it is to be happy next to your neighbor. The world is round, and our boarders have only grown.

My reply is simply philosophicaland not meant to be anyone’s right or wrong. But as American, we create what we often despise and feel is wrong. The situation on illegals and the War on Terror are perfect examples of this. But the base idea still falls into money and consumption. Crub those, and you change the world. Someone has no worth with a $ sign, or any other sign for that matter.