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Post by earthdog on Apr 4, 2007 19:39:07 GMT -5
Let me ask you all what you think of this video. A bunch of us are debating about this video in another forum. Let me add, [glow=red,2,300]I hope this doesn't offend anyone[/glow]. (no nudity or fowl language) I'll tell you what I think about it after I see some replies. Remember the words are, Sparkling Wiggles...
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Post by sandsman1 on Apr 4, 2007 20:13:51 GMT -5
well id say the parents need a good ass whopin for makin there kid say that and then put it on the net --- the kid dont know whats goin on ----- she just cant say the words -- id say no matter what the adults think or say they shouldnt put the kid in the middle like that -- i hit high school age during the race wars in philly and fought my way in and outta school most days -- but i never pushed my feelings or thoughts on all that on my daughter -- i fig she had to make up her own mind
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Post by earthdog on Apr 4, 2007 22:01:36 GMT -5
I feel the same way as you John. Some people in another foum I'm on thought it was funny. I don't think it's to funny to teach racism to your child.
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Post by lastl98 on Apr 4, 2007 22:12:27 GMT -5
Wow! Just Damn. How very, very sad. I'll never, EVER understand people, EVER! I'm without words. Last
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Post by karenfh on Apr 4, 2007 22:46:57 GMT -5
Okey Dokey; here's what I think. I think it's wrong to make your kid say stupid stuff for the camera. If they do it on their own, and you happen to catch it on tape, that's priceless memories, and I hope you set them straight, and then make $10,000 on that video show. I hope that you also think about where the 'innocent' stupid stuff came from, and take care of it at the source, whether that be at home, daycare, school or the in-laws' house. I think it's wrong to make your kid say stupid stuff without explaining what he/she is saying. Kids are not, for the most part, intentionally mentally cruel at that young age. However, they are amazing mimics, and seem to pick up all the stupid stuff and repeat it at the worst possible times. When my 2nd grader came home from school and made a comment about people of the Hispanic persuasion, I explained what the comment meant, in terms he could understand at his age. Once he understood what the phrase meant, he felt extremely bad, and apologized the next day. I was very proud of him, and he's been more conscious of stupid stuff ever since. I think it's wrong to make your kid say stupid stuff that could be construed as REALLY stupid stuff by some adults, and as funny by other 'adults', for the sake of enjoyment, and then post it on the web for the same purpose. The term for that is exploitation. In other forms, it is illegal. And I'm really hoping that the little girl in the video was saying 'sparkling wiggles' rather than the obviously intended derogatory version. Altho, it really doesn't matter what she said, because she has no clue. But everyone over the age of 12, or younger in some areas, knows exactly what was inferred by the parents. If I was a 12-year old young man or woman with a dark natural skin tone, I would be offended. As it is, I am a 43-year old blond woman, who has to use sunscreen on a light skin tone. And I am am not stupid. I think it's a short hop from 'sparkling wiggles' to the 'gammy chews' or the 'fllipping lyresh' or the 'dalm-ashions.' And, if we accept that kind of thing, and go home and chuckle about it or pass it on, or don't express our disdain, we're as bad as the folks who did nothing when they were serving 'Hurtler's Nachos.' Well, I hope I was pretty clear on that. Any questions? Glad to answer them. Don't mess with a former school board member!
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Post by NM Stone Supply on Apr 4, 2007 23:11:56 GMT -5
That is sad. I don't think it is funny. Racism is the last thing a child needs to be learning. Now a days there are a lot of pshyco people who could get so offended that they will hunt that little girl down and hurt her. I would never put my childs picture or video on the internet. That was a good case of bad parenting.
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Post by Toad on Apr 5, 2007 4:44:11 GMT -5
To be honest, I had a hard time even hearing what she was saying. I could figure out what the intention of the parent's were eventually - I'm not as quick as some folks. Turns out stupidity is alive and well in America - as elsewhere.
I just saw the 'Borat' movie this weekend. It does a good job of uncovering how many Americans still think about their fellow man. Very sad indeed.
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Post by earthdog on Apr 5, 2007 7:53:44 GMT -5
In You Tube there is alot of buzz over this video also. Some people have made small clips against this video.
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Post by takilasunrise on Apr 5, 2007 9:41:47 GMT -5
Racism/prejudice has and will always exist as long as mankind is still on this earth. It's naive to think everybody will eventually accept all other nationalities, religions, gender, etc. as equal to themselves. The majority of people put on a good act, but behind closed doors, everyone has prejudice against someone, be it tall, short, fat, thin, dumb, smart, pretty, ugly, not to mention race, religion, etc.
I do agree, though, that it's wrong to exploit your child for whatever reason! I have always tried to teach my children to accept others as they are, not to make fun of people different than them, etc., because it will come back to you, good or bad! As they've gotten older, they have pointed out my prejudices to me and then I explain why I feel the way I do. But that goes to show me that they've grown up with less "taught" prejudice, so hopefully I did something right! Innocence of our children has been taken away from them at a younger age by the media and from parents that didn't want to raise their kids they way they were raised. The parents of the child in the video need a reality check. I sure hope someone is not so offended by the video that they retaliate against them, or God forbid, their child! Like karenfh said, all children have said something that sounded like something else, even if it was a naughty word, but it was innocent. People have taught their dogs to bark "words". But to purposefully exploit their child's innocent speach and put it on tape is sick. I wouldn't doubt they are members of the KKK! Their actions towards their child is why prejudice continues to exist like it does.
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Post by rockyraccoon on Apr 5, 2007 9:48:11 GMT -5
i have to really wonder what compelled them to make that tape at all. what the hell is a sparkling wiggle? wonder if the child got in trouble at school and they felt the need to tape that to prove she wasn't saying what it sure sounds like she was saying. or more likely she said just what it sounded like she is saying and they found a crafty way to make it look like she didn't. i've never heard of a sparkling wiggle or heard it come up in any conversation with other parents or children. if the parents were trying to prove to someone that they had not been bad parents, they failed miserably.
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Post by takilasunrise on Apr 5, 2007 10:16:40 GMT -5
Since my kids are older now and I'm not up on the cartoons I thought maybe the "Sparkling Wiggles" was a cartoon character or something, but when I tried to do a search on it, all that came up was references to this video.................
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Post by rallyrocks on Apr 5, 2007 10:29:23 GMT -5
Racism/prejudice has and will always exist as long as mankind is still on this earth. It's naive to think everybody will eventually accept all other nationalities, religions, gender, etc. as equal to themselves. The majority of people put on a good act, but behind closed doors, everyone has prejudice against someone, be it tall, short, fat, thin, dumb, smart, pretty, ugly, not to mention race, religion, etc. Maybe so, but the more enlightened among us will keep those prejudices to ourselves and perhaps it is "putting on an act" but being respecful of the rights of others should be a fundamental aspect of participation in a civilized society. But I still contend that "(whatever)-ism's" are not apriori, and are in fact learned behavior. There is a big difference between personal preferences and prejudice, to equate the two is missing the fundamental irrational hatered that is inherently the nature of prejudice and racism. This is a good example of where that kind of learning takes place. If these parents were the slightest bit progressive in their personal feelings about race relations, they would have steered their kid away from this line, instead they are encouraging it. You have to expect that other lessons this child gets will only reinforce this kind of backwards thinking.
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Post by stefan on Apr 5, 2007 10:36:26 GMT -5
Here is a perfect case of parental neglect. What the Heck are they thinking?? If they are so freakin racist why not teach the child to say it correctly- at least then you would have to give them credit for being complete idiots!! This sickens me- and helps to really drive home our own countries internal hatred and bigotry- I personally think these parents should be brought up on charges. ANd that poor child- to innocent to realize what she is saying- and doomed to be raised by 2 parents that think it is funny to teach hatred to their children. Excuse me but I need go vomit now.
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Post by deb193 on Apr 5, 2007 10:53:19 GMT -5
...But I still contend that "(whatever)-ism's" are not apriori, and are in fact learned behavior. There is a big difference between personal preferences and prejudice, to equate the two is missing the fundamental irrational hatred that is inherently the nature of prejudice and racism. I agree about the learning, but I also want to point out that the ability to learn such lessons quickly may be prepared deep in our biology. That element of our nature that is able to assign in-group and out-group sometimes on very subtle distinctions and then act on these groupings - well that seems to have had survival value at some point in our evolutionary history. In lab experiments you can teach a child to show a mild fear reaction to a box by letting her see and adult act fearfully or having the box make a small startling noise. it takes about 10 lessons. However if you repeat the same experiment with a rope, you can teach the child in about 3 lessons. Some take this to mean that we are prepared to learn the lesson about the rope because in early evolutionary times our ancestors had to fear snakes. (Or at least the ones who did lived to breed.) When early humans lived in small family/kinship bands, judging the "stranger" by small appearance differences would have been a good skill. Mistrusting strangers would have been associated with survival. I am minded of the Sr Seuss Sneetches story: Some Sneetches have a green star on their bellies, and in the beginning of the story the presence or absence of a star is the basis for discrimination. Sneetches who have stars on their bellies are part of the "in crowd", while Sneetches without stars are shunned.
In the story, a "fix-it-up" chap named Mr. Sylvester McMonkey McBean appears, driving a cart of strange machines. He offers the Sneetches without stars a chance to have them by going through his Star-On machine, for three dollars. The old star-bellied Sneetches are furious until McBean tells them about his Star-Off machine, costing ten dollars. This escalates, with the Sneetches running from one machine to the next,
"until neither the Plain nor the Star-Bellies knew whether this one was that one or that one was this one or which one was what one... or what one was who." This continues until the Sneetches are penniless and McBean leaves a rich man. In the end, the Sneetches learn that neither plain-belly nor star-belly Sneetches are superior, and they are able to get along and become friends.
While some might argue that in a few dozen generations we will all be brown and speak a Spanish-Asian-English lingual mix, my point is that it may be our nature to draw (and act upon) new, possibly subtle, distinctions. So the real question might be is this some part of our nature that we could successfully breed/engineer away? Should we? Or, are their lessons/learning/images that wew can introduce that would generally be effective in helping people master/control this aspect of their nature? That is research I would like to see.
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Post by takilasunrise on Apr 5, 2007 11:35:09 GMT -5
So, rallyrocks, no one has ever been discriminated against because they're overweight or not very good looking? Personal preference is still prejudice if you can't get a job or rent an apartment or have to buy 2 airline tickets because of it. There are a lot of fat jokes out there because people don't like how fat people look. There are still a lot of jobs out there that women can't get because men don't think they can do it. Restaurant and stadium seating are built for "average" sized people. Women's clothes are designed using ultra skinny models. An employer will hire a younger, thinner, healthier-looking person over someone who will be retiring soon or someone that is overweight because an old person or a fat person will cause their health insurance rates to go higher. There's been many women that have been taken advantage of by male mechanics because many women don't know anything about cars. And there's been many men that have been taken advantage of by beautiful women who turned out to be cons and thieves.
Someone may only prefer thin brunettes with little chests over plump blondes with big chests because that's their "personal preference", but there's plenty of discrimination in this country based on personal attributes and traits and gender, not just race or religion! So as far as I'm concerned, racism and prejudice based on personal preferences are still one in the same!
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Post by Rose on Apr 5, 2007 11:37:58 GMT -5
Its rather sickening, they are teaching and encouraging their child to be a bigot, she is too young to understand what she is saying and what it means, all she knows is it makes mum and dad laugh and get positive attention from them.
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Post by chassroc on Apr 5, 2007 12:29:45 GMT -5
I don't get it...seems like something better left ignored, rather than discussed csroc
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Post by chassroc on Apr 5, 2007 12:33:29 GMT -5
To me it's sort of in the same category as the two young daughters of the white supremecists that keeps being showed on Inside Edition (or one of those type programs). Why you would give more exposure to these types when that plays right into their motive. csroc
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Post by earthdog on Apr 5, 2007 14:36:25 GMT -5
You have to talk about it. If you didn't talk about it people would never learn about other stupid people.
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Post by deb193 on Apr 5, 2007 18:26:34 GMT -5
You have to talk about it. If you didn't talk about it people would never learn about other stupid people.
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