earthdog
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Post by earthdog on May 3, 2007 20:33:18 GMT -5
Here's a topic that might bring some interesting replys too............ I for one agree with the statement:
Government needs to take down the bird feeder.........period!
I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food. But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue. Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the table...everywhere. Then some of the birds turned mean: They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket. And others birds were boisterous and loud: They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food. After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio. Soon, the back yard was like it used to be...quiet, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.
Now lets see...our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, free
education and allows anyone born here to be a automatic citizen. Then the illegals came by the
tens of thousands. Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families: you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor: you child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English: Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to press "one" to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than "Old Glory" are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.
Maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.
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Post by freeform on May 3, 2007 22:32:33 GMT -5
I think thats what they been doing Edog, but see their definition of bird crap is different than the rest of ours. When their profits dip, there flies the crap. So they clean it up and restore it back to the way it was before.
Though not completly to do with the topic, there is a really good movie i just finished watching.
"Fast food nation"
Check it out, the story is very real even though its a movie. It covers your point here very well i feel. Watch the crap fly. ;D
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Post by takilasunrise on May 4, 2007 16:29:57 GMT -5
Make them "WORK" for the "free" services. There's plenty of work that needs to be done like trash pick up, weeding, painting park benches & picnic tables, etc. instead of paying a government worker good money per hour to do it! You'd only need a few workers to supervise. I realize I'm a govt. worker, but my job is very specialized.....it takes a good 2 years just to learn it all. But it doesn't take much to pick up trash or paint a table. This is just an example of what can be done, but you need to work for your money just like the rest of us!
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Post by sandsman1 on May 4, 2007 17:16:45 GMT -5
i agree if it didn't look so easy and free they would think twice about staying as an illegal -- cut the welfare to all none citizens no medical if your sick go back to your country and get cared for -- no more grants to anyone not a citizen for at least 10 years this will show if you can be an asset not a weight around the United States and the tax payers neck ----start makin your own way no more free school if you want a student visa have your first year school paid for before you apply like my daughter has to do --- i always say if I'm broke ill just stay home -- that should be the new law
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Post by Bikerrandy on May 4, 2007 21:39:31 GMT -5
Instead of paying these people, maybe the government should pay business owners to employ them so there's no more hand-outs. Of course if it were up to me, I'd send them back where they came from.
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emyhro4048
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Post by emyhro4048 on May 4, 2007 22:35:05 GMT -5
I work retail and am alway's amazed how I have to LOOK for the instructions in ENGLISH.
My Mother and I came here in 1958 but did it legally through Ellis Island and there were no handouts but great newfound freedoms.
Ed M.
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Post by sandsman1 on May 5, 2007 3:03:29 GMT -5
ed my dads mom and dad came over on the boat to Ellis island from Italy and did the same as you they worked there buts off to learn the language and to support themselves and become good citizens -- i don't see anything wrong with everyone having to do the same no matter where they come from -- and the biggest rule should be if your here illegally you need to leave and apply the right way and wait your turn to come back this --- well there here already might as well let them stay shit is bull
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Post by freeform on May 5, 2007 12:17:46 GMT -5
Well, what facts are out there that show Illegals working gov't positions? if they are there, our Gov't will do nothing for this problem no matter what anyone says.
Who wants to work in a meat packing plant? If i wanted to hire on a cabochon cutter, i wouldnt be able to afford to pay an American becasue of the costs for living here. This would be my options... Go overseas like everyone else? ,hire illegals?, or get into another job?
Which would you do?
I would get a second job. But isnt that what they are doing?
We complain that its not their right, yet give them the right everyday. I thought this conutry was for the people by the people? Why then are we relying on the Govt for anything but protection? It is my fualt for wanting the Gov't to fix my problems? Yes
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earthdog
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Post by earthdog on May 5, 2007 14:10:01 GMT -5
Who said anything about illegals working government jobs?
The government needs to fix their own problems! If the government would allow the average Joe to police the illegals there wouldn't be such a big problem with it now! Have you ever tried to call the immigration dept.? Next time you know there is a home with 5 families of illegals living there, call, then see how long it takes them to come to the house and check on them.
I would, meat cutters normally are union and making good money. The whole GD system needs to be re-done.
If a person wants to work/live here do it legal. I have 0% compassion for any illegal, saying how tough it is in their country or whatever. Just like the march they had a few days ago, they turn the American flag upside down, and these assholes want to be an American, screw them! little punk ass mf'ers!
They can go straight to Mexico and freaking rot if thats the way they EXPECT to become an American.
Just like all the contractors I pour concrete for, 95% of them have a illegal crew, I hope they loose their ass. Pay a Mexican 7/8 dollars for what an American gets 14/16 dollars for doing. I see it everyday and it sucks.
Just remember to press 1 to hear the message in English!!!
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Post by freeform on May 5, 2007 20:20:15 GMT -5
Edog, my point is illegals are not working federal jobs, we the public are hiring them. From small biusness like sub contractors, to large ones like some of the local Home developers in the valley that buy billions of dollars worth of land each year for new homes. Crews on every level have a percentage of illegal workers on the job. Though i cant find any facts on it, there have been rumors here locally that ADOT has many illegals on the job. Though state ran, if that were to be ture, what then? That was my point. Who will be left to check the gov't if we do not?
I have not, but have you? Who has? At least anyone reading this could say ya, ive turn in some. What about the companies like Homedepot who biuld ramadas with misters for illegals to stand under outside of thier biuldings during the hot summers? Not all, but there are a few in California that have done this already. You mean to tell me the large groups that stand out there looking for laborer work are here legally? This is everyones fault, which starts with ours(the public). For not calling anyone about these guys, and its not just around Home depot, at least here around this metro you will find them pretty much were ever you go.
I am not saying you pick them up, heck my dad has employed one for a couple years. But if he were dicussing this with you right now, i know for a fact he would agree with you up untill the point of, most people will not want to work in a meat packing plant, or pick onions all day. I would bet on it, more would be willing to work an Ulitliy job like high electical line work than that. Though that is just my opinion.
I am not for putting a wall up, i am for helping stop this problem on all levels i can. But we need leaders to punish more Americans for hiring them, or the local people to stand up as you are doing by not giving these illegals a means of interests. I appericate that and dont at all mean to pick at your point.
What other option do we have besides trying to wall up one side of the Rio Grande?
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earthdog
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Post by earthdog on May 5, 2007 21:39:42 GMT -5
I don't think we as people have many options. Just like that Minute Men group that was on the border, they got alot of flack for being there and basiclly, their hands were tied. We as people can't go to the border with shotguns and round the illegals up, march them to the border patrol office. We as people can't go to the border and start building a wall either. Our gooberment is so screwed up, and the illegal aliens issue just proves it.
I say build a wall like the Berlin wall and patrol it with sharp shooters.
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karenfh
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Post by karenfh on May 5, 2007 23:15:10 GMT -5
Hey, Edog! Plant some flowers and or plants that bring in the hummingbirds. They are little, hide their nests, poop very little, and are cool to watch.
As to the other. Well, I guess our county is filled with seed. I'm in a small town of 2,000, roughly. We do have a few industries that hire, specifically and logistically, Hispanic folks. Our potato plant has been busted before by the INS. Holy cow, what a hoopla that caused, here in our little town!
Like I said, small town. We do not have the technology nor the resources to determine whether or not people are legal. The potato plant did check to make sure everyone had the proper docs. Apparently, they did. Guess that was not good enough. That employer did have to pay fines, because some of their workers had fake IDs and fake papers. Jeez all Friday! How the heck are you supposed to know?
You can't refuse to hire someone who doesn't look/sound like the proverbial All-American. You can't, apparently, as a potential employer, actually ASK if they are legal or illegal aliens. That's illegal. Go figure.
I have no problem with legal immigration. In fact, I would be the first to encourage that! My greats emmigrated, went thru the process, had hardships, worked their tails off etc. Isn't that what the US is all about?
K
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Post by goldfinger on May 6, 2007 8:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by sandsman1 on May 6, 2007 22:23:16 GMT -5
i just signed it
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