isellwood
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Post by isellwood on Sept 20, 2006 19:09:37 GMT -5
I have 2 Lortone Arbors. On one I have a 100 grit diamond wheel, and a 220 grit silicone wheel. The other arbor I have two expandable drums, where I use 400, 600, 1200 Grit Silicone and 50,000 grit diamond to polish my cabs. The problem I have is, as I am polishing the cabs I can't see the scratches until I'm all done. The water makes it hard to see as I proceed. Is it me not taking enough time in each step, or is there some type on spot light or something I should use to help see what I am doing? I would appreciate any help offered.
Thanks; Pat
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rallyrocks
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Post by rallyrocks on Sept 20, 2006 19:28:10 GMT -5
It happens to the best of us still, but here's a couple things to try-
First I highly reccomend going out and buying a decent quality jewelers loupe (pronounced "loop" -those little magnifying glass thingies) typically these are 10X power (that is what I would reccomend, they have higher and lower ones, but 10X does the job quite well) -and they really help you see what is going on on the surface of your stones.
Also you need to pause and dry the piece you are working on before you willbe able to see down at that level of detail.
That will give you a much better idea of where in the process you are missing the scratches.
In the end it probably will- as you suggested, come down to spending a bit more time at each step, but having the visual insight offered with the loupe helps you spend that time working on the right portion of the stone rather than wasting time working over areas that are already as good as they'll get with that grit.
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Post by rockds on Sept 20, 2006 19:40:15 GMT -5
rally's right, the loupe helps but until you get one - get a towel and when you think you are ready to move on, dry the stone. Let the light reflect off the stone and your scratches will show up.
robert
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Post by gemkoi on Sept 20, 2006 19:53:42 GMT -5
isellwood, You bring up a common issue by all cutters, new old, good and bad. The main issue though comes down to Patenice. After years of cabbing, i know from how worn my belts or wheels are, how long i must grind each stage.
But the main concner comes from checking your work as your progress. Water will fill in to any scatch, large or small. So you MUST wipe the cabs dry before polishing to inspect that you have taken care of all scatches.
The biggest problem is from the initional preform grind, or rough grind on your 100grit. Move it to 220 and make sure you get all scratches, by wiping the stone dry before moving on to high grit stages.
Also some types of materials, notable darker color stones will show straches much easier than lighter color stones or highly pattern stones. So use this to your advantage.
I can do a cab, from preform to polish in 15 minutes on a two wheel setup, but i myself can get caught in missing some scratches. Once i get to the 600 stage i clean all stones, dry. And check for low spots or staches i missed. In which i go back to a lower stage grit. 220 would be the lowest i take it unless i missed some from the frist 100grit grind. But those you usally can see even with water on the surface.
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Post by Tweetiepy on Sept 20, 2006 20:07:59 GMT -5
I don't have a loupe (nor are my cabs or cabbing abilities that spectacular) but I recommend drying off the stone to check for scratches or rough spots from previous grits - I find that area tends to be "whiter" than the more polished areas. It helps to see where you're gonna need to go over - someone suggested marking that spot witha marker so you know you've got that part to take off still
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rallyrocks
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Post by rallyrocks on Sept 20, 2006 20:16:49 GMT -5
Be careful, I tried the "marker trick" once only to find that particular stone had these little swirly vein structures in it that absorbed the ink and stained it irrepairably.
Loupes aren't that expensive, a decent one can be picked up for about $20-30 and it REALLY helps...
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isellwood
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Post by isellwood on Sept 20, 2006 20:35:20 GMT -5
Thanks everybody for the ideas and suggestions, I'll let you know how I do. I'll post pictures when I get some done worth posting.
Pat
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stefan
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Post by stefan on Sept 21, 2006 8:57:49 GMT -5
Just one other note- It appears you go from 1200 grit- to 50,000 grit- which is a huge jump- Following everones elses advice on drying and magnifing- I think I would consider adding a 3000 grit in there- maybe even a 14,000 diamond paste also??? I started using a 3000 Diamond belt last year and I was amazed at what a difference it made- I polish using 14,000 mesh and then 50,000 mesh diamond paste- and the results are stunning!
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Showtime
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Post by Showtime on Sept 21, 2006 23:10:32 GMT -5
I use my the backside of my shirt then drag it across my forarm and take a look under some good light My two cents...
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