docholiday
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Post by docholiday on May 11, 2007 14:26:22 GMT -5
I currently have a real nice Vibratory polisher and have seen in some post them mentioned just curious how they work. Im using a cheapo smithsonian barrel tumbler right now but it seems like it isnt going to make it even through this first tumble project so I might move on to my vibe any suggestions would be great.
Thanks Doc
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Post by deb193 on May 11, 2007 14:39:47 GMT -5
What kind of vibe. SOme are only for metal or dry polishing of casing shells etc.
if you have a Thumler, Gy-Roc, or Lot-o-Tumbler, or Mini-sonic then YES!
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Post by deb193 on May 11, 2007 14:41:04 GMT -5
These Lot-O instructions would be good enough fo rmost kinds of units. Key is to just have damp rocks. www.therockshed.com/instructions1.htmlIf you want to create cabs, then that has a few qualifications. Freeforms yes. Sharp bezel for mounting into calibrated findings ... not so much.
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Post by docholiday on May 11, 2007 14:46:19 GMT -5
Mine is a lyman turbo tumbler.
Doc
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Post by Sabre52 on May 11, 2007 14:58:01 GMT -5
Doc: Since Lyman is famous mainly for shooting supplies, their tumblers may be designed mainly for tumbling brass for reloading etc . Not sure if they work for tumbling stones.....Mel
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fossilman
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Post by fossilman on May 12, 2007 1:07:42 GMT -5
I looked at the Lyman vibratory tumbler online at Cabela's. Very reasonable for the size. Anybody use one of these, and what about reliability?
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Post by docholiday on May 12, 2007 13:06:35 GMT -5
I have only used mine to polish old hotwheel redline bodies before restoring them and it is extremely quite and has performed excellantly but as for stones Im not sure if it can be used It did come with a spare bucket and clear lid. I will pull out the manual and see if it says.
Doc
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Post by Jurrasic Jonje on May 12, 2007 20:17:56 GMT -5
I have a thumlers uv-10 which comes in 2 models the standard and industrial. The standard is for casings the industrial is for rocks. The main factors that separate them is weight and bowl thickness. Rocks weigh more than casings so the vibe needs heavy duty springs to compensate. Also casings are smooth rocks are rough so the bowl needs to be thicker. Therefore I would not recommend using a vibe made for casings to tumble stone.
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fossilman
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Post by fossilman on May 12, 2007 20:31:58 GMT -5
thanks, jonje. Wishful thinking, I guess. They were so much less expensive, guess there's a reason for it.
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Post by Tony W on May 14, 2007 2:17:09 GMT -5
I have the Lyman Turbo and it has been running 24/7 for 6 weeks or so. No problems so far. I liked the price at Cabalas, but had to email Lyman to get an instruction sheet for doing rocks. It has about an 8 pound capacity on the big bowl, and I'm running an average of 4 to 5 pounds in the small bowl. Haven't tried the big bowl yet but I'm sure I could hot glue some plastic sheeting over the sifter top and grind some big stuff with ease. Lyman says they have upgraded the motor so I expect it to last even doing rocks. I'm learning as I go but I find the more you fill it up the better the grind. My last rough grind was my best and I used about 2/3rds rock and went nearly up to the cover with marbles, ceramic and plastic beads. Two good days and two tablespoons of 220 and all of it was ready for 500. And it was quieter than with a lighter load. Hope this helps. T
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Post by fossilman on May 14, 2007 10:31:31 GMT -5
keep us posted, Tony. How's the barrel look, is it getting chewed up with the abrasive?
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Post by agatemaggot on May 14, 2007 20:34:26 GMT -5
I thought I saw an add for Lyman tumblers a while back and they had a mach. for polishing brass and another for tumbling rock, but at the moment I am undergoing an attack of (OFF).
OLD FART FORGOT !!!!!
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Post by Tony W on May 14, 2007 23:00:22 GMT -5
The bowl has a had a nice sanding but seems good sturdy stuff. Of course I bought another bowl for polishing! The only machine problems have been because of me. I find I shouldn't be taking the top off while it is running because I'm reaming the cover hole out pulling it up up over the screw. I have been doing nothing but rough grinding now for 2 weeks or so. A new batch every 2 or 3 days with the harder stuff thrown back in. I think I have given it a pretty good beating and, right now, I'm pleased. It seems pretty loud but I'm not very experienced so I don't have much reference about noise. You need to buffer your stone. I had a lot crack on my last polish. I did a small load... meaning small stones... and I didn't fill the bowl up with anything. Now I am putting about a third of marbles and plastic balls in to cushion the rocks. Can't let them bang off each other. I'm going to throw in some rubber bands next. I have some cabs I'm doing now and want to learn the best way to protect them in polish. T
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Post by docholiday on May 16, 2007 21:20:18 GMT -5
Well it is the Lyman tubro I have and on there site it does say it can be used on stones also. Tony do you happen to have that manual for stones Lyman sent you, if so would you mind e-mailing it to me. If not Ill e-mail Lyman. I dont think you will have any problems with it dieing as I have at least 8000 hours on mine in like 72-84 hour spurts. My cheapo tumbler barrel just crapped out so I will have to use my vibe until I can save the coin for a new tumbler, who knows maybe I will like the vibe more just need to know how to do stones int it. Do I use the same media and water? Thanks for the help and sorry about the long read.
Doc
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Post by Tony W on May 17, 2007 0:25:56 GMT -5
Well, my scanner is down so I can't help there. The manual is only 2 pages and the stuff on the vib is only a paragraph. It says the capacity is 4 on the small bowl and 8 on the big... fill up the bowl nearly to the top, etc. Stuff you will have read else where. Mostly it just assured me that the turbo is made to do rock. The back does have a list of the stages they recommend, but I use the following I got off this board...." We fill ours 3/4 full. this is a mix of pre ground pieces and the ceramic pellets used for deburring metal parts . We use fine or med. grit pellets. The shape we use are cylinders with angle cut ends. We grind our pre forms with 120 grit diamond wheel. The first grit size we use is 220 grit.We do not use anything coarser than that for the simple reason being , WHY ? We have already been there. 1 day / some times 2 in 220 This removes all small flats / whoopte do's 1 day in 400 grit 1 day in 600 grit 1 day in pre polish 1 day in TSP polish This is satisfactory 99% of the time
We wet and drain the stone, then place in tub while it is running.
After placing wet stone and pellets in running mach., we drizzle antibotic dish soap onto the moving stones. THE KEY WORD WAS (DRIZZLE) don't squeeze bottle as hard as you can, just enough to get a hair like stream going making 3 or 4 laps around the inside of the tub. After about 2 minutes the rock is completly covered with soap from the tumbling action. Now you gradually add your grit , also in a spirial motion same as the soap. Don't pour it , lightly sprinkle it in. At this time you will notice that the small amount of dish soap has the grit evenly coating the stone. You are not waiting for a slurry to form to carry your grit because your effectively grinding before you even replace the lid on the machine.
At this time you will probably notice that the revolving / rotating speed of the rock has slowed down.
NOW, take a spray bottle, set on spray, NOT squirt, and lightly mist the surface of the stone until the ORIGINAL speed of the moving stone has been reached. By that I mean ,the speed it was moving at before we added anything. Slowly misting the rock keeps the soap and grit from washing off. Think you used too much soap? Don't worry your rocks will only get a little cleaner. The ANTI-BACTERIAL dish soap will stop any pressure build up because the yeast type reaction from the bacteria laden rock. Rising bread dough syndrome type thing. If you didn't use a lot more grit than necessary, there will not be a trace of it in 24 hours. Your now ready to move on to the next grit size."
I have Rock Shed grit so I'm doing 220, 500, tripoli, and polish. 2 days at 220, 2 at 500, one with pre polish, and one or two in polish. When the bottom of the bowl fills up with sludge during 220, I clean and recharge. 2 or 3 tablespoons of 220 and 500, 2 or 3 teaspoons of each polish. T
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docholiday
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Post by docholiday on May 17, 2007 11:49:56 GMT -5
Thank you very much that is incredibly helpfull. I will be using my vibe to finish I was able to get some ceramic tumbling stones from work they are pyrimid shadped and flat triangles gray and red and I already have the grit and plastic pellets. Now I just need to get some diamond bits for my dremel so I can shape them.
Thank you so much for your help that last post must have taken you a while I really appreciate it. Doc
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Post by Tony W on May 17, 2007 23:51:56 GMT -5
No problem. I just cut it from a thread on another part of this board Good luck. I can't caution you enough to cushion your stones during polish. When you think you have enough plastic pellets and rubberbands, or whatever..... you don't. And... I think you will have to order another bowl for polishing from Lyman. I think is was 20 or under with shipping. Tony
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