48v
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Post by 48v on Jan 3, 2008 2:30:17 GMT -5
Hey ;D In my search for a classy way to drape my recent belated Christmas gift without ruining the stone, I gave more consideration to a wrap. I have some ideas, but no skills, so I was wondering if any of you fine artisans offer your services for hire? It's the star-shaped rock I had talked about earlier, as donated and cut by snowdog (thanks again!). It's small, the inner pentagon about the size of a nickel. I have no idea on detail limitations, nor wire gauges and strength...but if you'd be interested in helping, I'd like to hear from you, and maybe bounce some ideas off you to determine what would be the best design possibility. Let me know if anyones interested! Thanks in advance .
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Post by Jurrasic Jonje on Jan 3, 2008 15:49:01 GMT -5
Send me a pic. I would love to see what could be done.
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nancyf
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Post by nancyf on Jan 3, 2008 18:28:56 GMT -5
oh boy! I'd like a pic of it to please. Just for fun in nothing else.
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Post by creativeminded on Jan 3, 2008 21:36:05 GMT -5
Send a pic and we'll see what we can do. Tami
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Post by 48v on Jan 4, 2008 2:56:30 GMT -5
Thanks everyone, Here's a pic of the back of the stone (where I'll want a majority of the wire-work to be done). I don't know a lot, as far as gauges and strength and everything...but I know I'll want 2 attachment points to run a fine mesh chain from the wire to the velvet necklace. Since it's on the back it'll have to be flat, narrow and smooth, so it doesn't get caught on clothes or skin. Ideally, the smaller the gauge the better, but I know there's strength issues there. For the front, I want something as simple as possible, like just having a small tab in between points. I'm open to suggestion, I know you guys have better skill and style than I do. I just want it to be kept simple, so it doesn't take away from the rock being the focal point. I'll throw up a couple of thoughts I had, and I'd love to hear suggestions! 1 - This was the first thing I came up with on the sketchpad. Making tabs between the points would line up the back for another star-shape. The wavy lines underneith would make for a good attachment point. Again, I don't know if this is too elaborate for something this small. 2 - This just came from looking at older posts. Just an arc from tip to base. Probably would have to have a support wire going around the entire edge of the star, but might make it possible to leave the front completely bare (wires are black lines). Lemme know what ya think, and I'd love to hear suggestions! Thanks again!
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Post by Jurrasic Jonje on Jan 4, 2008 8:27:48 GMT -5
So let me see if I got this right. You want it wrapped in such a way that it would have 2 bails? Then from the bails you want 2 chains with jump rings at the end?
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Post by akansan on Jan 4, 2008 8:49:05 GMT -5
I think he's wanting a velvet cord to run through two hidden bails...right?
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Post by 48v on Jan 4, 2008 12:54:31 GMT -5
Not sure what ya mean by 'balls,' but the reason I decided to use 2 small mesh chains instead of a standard loop to run the cord thru, was so the stone could be completely detached without having to alter the wrap. I would attach the chains to the red points on the wrap pictures above, again if they would hold. Hope this clears things up .
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Post by akansan on Jan 4, 2008 13:06:07 GMT -5
Whoops - missed the chain part and saw the velvet necklace.
48v - bails are the part of the pendant that a chain would go through. Hidden bails are ones that you can't see from the front.
Are you wanting to detach the entire pendant (including chains) from the velvet necklace?
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48v
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Post by 48v on Jan 4, 2008 13:45:31 GMT -5
I just want that as an option, I guess I was thinking if I use a fine chain, the 'balls' could be forgotten and the attachment points could be worked anywhere into the design (meaning, I would break a chain link and re-solidify it to the silver wrap, so nothing special had to be made to attach them), so if it needed to be changed I could just drop a link from the chain and not have to alter the wrap...does that make sense? Would the weight of the stone (without balls) cause too much pulling on the wrap, and distort it?
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Post by Jurrasic Jonje on Jan 4, 2008 16:04:12 GMT -5
O single bail at the top would slide easily over any type of Necklace. I think I have a star laying around. If I can find it I will do a wrap on it for you to see.
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Post by nancyf on Jan 8, 2008 11:40:55 GMT -5
FYI...the front HAS to have someting to hold the stone into the setting. Small prongs could be used. I'm not getting why you want the chain. If done correctly, you could attach a chain or ribbon.
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Post by 48v on Jan 13, 2008 14:50:35 GMT -5
Sorry all...I've been out for a few days. I want the chain cause I like the look of the really fine silver chain, like in most womens link necklaces. I also think it'll be thinner, which will allow the necklace to lay flat, without as much bulk as if I were trying to run the 3mm velvet through a ball directly. This is as best as I can illustrate it, without having the actual piece done...again this is the back of the pendant. Hope this helps! Thanks again everyone for your attention!
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Post by huffstuff on Jan 14, 2008 12:08:34 GMT -5
Hi 48v, I'm not a wrapper, but I think the star will tip forward in this most recent picture, since the chain is attached so low on the back (near the center of the star). One of your earlier illustrations had the chain attached much higher, near the top of the star, which would help the star hang more vertically.
Also, if the 2 chains are not securely fastened to the velvet necklace, the weight of the pendant will cause them to slide down and you will end up with 2 vertical chains right next to each other. (As another example, picture a necklace with 2 pendants on it - what will the pendants do? Slide together). If the chains ARE securely fastened to the velvet cord, then your cord will no longer hang in that gentle curve, but will have a new shape created by the weight of the pendant (no matter how small) pulling the cord and making bends.
Hope this helps. Very tricky project you have here!
Amy
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Post by 48v on Jan 15, 2008 3:33:40 GMT -5
Hi 48v, I'm not a wrapper, but I think the star will tip forward in this most recent picture, since the chain is attached so low on the back (near the center of the star). One of your earlier illustrations had the chain attached much higher, near the top of the star, which would help the star hang more vertically. Also, if the 2 chains are not securely fastened to the velvet necklace, the weight of the pendant will cause them to slide down and you will end up with 2 vertical chains right next to each other. (As another example, picture a necklace with 2 pendants on it - what will the pendants do? Slide together). If the chains ARE securely fastened to the velvet cord, then your cord will no longer hang in that gentle curve, but will have a new shape created by the weight of the pendant (no matter how small) pulling the cord and making bends. Hope this helps. Very tricky project you have here! Amy Good point about the chain sliding, I guess my intention was to use a smaller link to attach to the velvet, and then just crimp it so it held tight on the cord...so no sliding, but then no re-adjustment for being off-center. As for the hanging location, I still don't know whether my wrap concept is possible. I edited the picture so its attachment points are more central, but whether that means balanced...probably not. I was hoping to get ideas as to what a wrap might look like, as I'm not entirely sold on mine, and you guys obviously know more about how to do it than I do. Still hoping to get this done, maybe by 2/14?
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Post by nancyf on Jan 18, 2008 19:14:27 GMT -5
Send the bugger to me...my address and contact infor are on my site. I'm not cheap...but I'm fairly good? (Jeremy or Dee might be interested too...no problemo)
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