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Post by Tweetiepy on Feb 11, 2008 20:44:44 GMT -5
Just wondering if I can skip some belts while cabbing - I have: 80 hard diamond wheel 120 diamond belt 220 diamond belt 400 SC belt 600 SC belt 1200 diamond belt 3000 diamond belt 14,000 diamond belt That's a lot of belts to change out I was wondering if I can skip the SC belts & go from 220 diamond to the 1200? the 400 & 600 belts wear down fairly fast but are also fairly cheap and easy to find around here when I had my old SC belts, I was getting scratches from the 1200 diamond belt after they came from the 600 SC belt (it was so worn out i think it had turned into a 2000) My worry, is now that the SC belts will wear down so much faster now - could I just get by with a 600? another thing is that I HAVE to use the 14,000 belt to get a great shine - I'd have thought that I would have gotten a shine with just 3000 but I have to take it further Can I skip some?
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Post by Bikerrandy on Feb 11, 2008 21:01:42 GMT -5
Sometimes I skip wheels on my Genie, probably the same thing. EDIT: Forgot to mention, I especially skip wheels with the softer stones.
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Post by Tony W on Feb 12, 2008 0:48:46 GMT -5
Hey, Tweet. YOu could get a 600 diamond belt (I use a hard wheel) and try 80, 220, 600, 1200, etc. Tony
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rallyrocks
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Post by rallyrocks on Feb 12, 2008 7:10:47 GMT -5
Remember, each belts job is to remove the scratches from the last one.
As you've seen- a 400 grit SC belt becomes effectively 600-800-1200 pretty fast as the SC breaks down, where a diamond belt that is wearing thin still cuts with the same sized particles, just slower because there are less of those particles left.
It also depends a lot on what brand of diamond belts you are using, the Rayspan true circle belts go 240-320-600-1200-8000, and that works pretty well, but skipping just one of these means you will be facing one of two scenarios- either scratches that cannot be removed, or else hours of effort to clean them up.
And as Randy mentions, softer stones will be more forgiving since finer abrasive will be more aggressive than on harder material.
If I was to make a suggestion, I would say get a 600 grit diamond belt and skip the 400.
And for anything softer than agate you might get away with skipping the 120, since its pretty close to 80 in size, 220 should be pretty effective in cleaning up after shaping with the 80.
But mixing SC and diamond over the long haul is going to complicate things and cause a lot of frustration I think
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Post by Jurrasic Jonje on Feb 12, 2008 8:16:51 GMT -5
I use the following setup and get great results.
80 hard wheel 220 hard wheel
then I move to diamond belts 280 600 1200 8000 then diamond paste on a leather pad.
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Post by stardiamond on Feb 12, 2008 11:24:27 GMT -5
I don't know if you can have too many steps with wheels or belts. The coarser the grit the faster the cutting or polishing. If you skip, you spend more time on the finer grit. Like Andy said, you can skip wheels on softer material. If you don't want to keep changing belts, batch your work. Do 10 or 15 cabs on a belt before changing it. I usually do 4 to 7 cabs at a time, but all my wheels are fixed. I do need to change my water tray when I go from the 80-220 to the 600-1200 to the 8,000-14000.
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Post by bobby1 on Feb 12, 2008 11:41:28 GMT -5
I use 220, 400, 600 SC and go to polish. I don't use any diamond belts. I also do a lot of dry sanding on the SC belts to speed things up somewhat.......... been cabbing for 50 years so far. Bob
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Post by larrywyland3 on Feb 12, 2008 17:05:11 GMT -5
I find that each material is different. For agates; I think they are the toughest any skipping seems to me much more time on the next wheel. For really soft stones I usually start with a 280 soft wheel and then skip the 600 and go right to 1200; stuff that is a 2 to 4 in hardness. Some materials are really chippy and they get killed on the 60 or 80 hard wheels; so I start them on the 200 hard wheel.
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Post by adrian65 on Feb 13, 2008 2:12:07 GMT -5
I'm using diamond pads and tryed to skip one or two of them in the begining, but I'm not even thinking to try it again. The scratches are much more difficult to remove with the finer wheels/belts. So I don't skip any stage any more. My sequence is 200, 400, 800, 1500, 3500, 10000 and "gloss"
Adrian
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Post by johnjsgems on Feb 14, 2008 9:00:55 GMT -5
I agree with Adrian (and others). The little effort to swap belts is nothing compared to the extra work trying to sand with too fine a belt. The 120 would not be necessary but would take out 80 scratches much faster than the 220. I also generally do three or four cabs at a time to speed up the process. If your 1200 belt is causing scratches break it in with a diamond dresser or blade dresser or hold an agate flat against it.
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Post by Tweetiepy on Feb 14, 2008 22:21:02 GMT -5
Thanks guys, my question was more along the lines that those darn SC belts wear down super quick (I didn't realize how quickly until I switched to my first diamon) then I saw how quick they wore down - I may have to use my worn 220 belts as 600 soon
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Post by stoner on Feb 14, 2008 23:40:40 GMT -5
Break down Tweetie and buy one more diamond belt, a 600. Then you'll be set. I try to cut around 10-15 cabs at a time so I only change belts once per session.
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Post by kjohn0102 on Feb 15, 2008 14:27:00 GMT -5
I have not been getting a great shine on my stuff-I do: 80 SC wheel (have an 80 diamond on order from Jadecarver) 100 SC pad 220 diamond 325 diamond 1200 diamond AO polish on leather pad. Think maybe I should add a step in there? Is diamond paste really better for polish? Karen
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Post by lsmike on Feb 15, 2008 16:12:28 GMT -5
Tweetie:I traded in my Genie because I just found it easier to pre-form,grind out any tool marks and go to a vibe tumbler.You can do more cutting etc. while tumbling.I think a Lot-0 would be great.This is like tumbling slabs so you want about half filler to keep them separated-I think small un-charged ceramic cylinders work perfectly.Also,Rapid Polish#61 seems best for cabs and slabs.Oh yeah,a one day run in 800A.O. before pre-polish seems to help.Mike.
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Post by johnjsgems on Feb 15, 2008 23:50:02 GMT -5
If you could add a 200 or 220 diamond wheel you could skip to 400, 600, 1200, 3,000. I'd use up the S/C belts and go to 400 and 600 diamond. I learned to cut on an old machine with 100, 220 S/C wheels then 400, 600 S/C belts. I saved a worn out 600 belt and used dry as a prepolish then on to a hard felt wheel with cerium oxide. The belts were on split drums and hard to change, wore out fast, and tore easily. I eventually got a Genie and will never go back to S/C. The Genie has 80 and 220 hard wheels and 280, 400, 600, and 3000 Novas (soft wheels). Agates look pretty much done but will improve with polish.
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Post by akansan on Feb 17, 2008 10:09:01 GMT -5
kjohn - I'd add a 600 in there between the 325 and the 1200. As for diamond paste - people were getting shines on stones for many years not using diamond paste. It seems like it's a tid bit easier to get it using the diamond paste, though...
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