dewman
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Post by dewman on Mar 5, 2008 21:25:08 GMT -5
Okay, I've never tumbled before. But I had borrowed a tumbler I got for someone (they never used it). It was plastic and didn't work very well after the first 10 minutes.
So, I went and bought a new one at Harbor Freight. Not the greatest, but I so ready to use it. I also got a couple of grit packs to get started.
I have so many questions, so I'll post a couple here.
I don't have a lot of rocks to use, but some are really neat. Should I just start them, or should I practice on something first? I have one piece of quarts that will look so cool.
The instructions say that I should fill the tubmler 3/4 of the way full of rocks or it won't work right. Do I have to do that?
And lastly and my biggest intrigue: the instructions say to use plastic pellets during some of the process. Where do I get these, and do you use them?
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Saskrock
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Post by Saskrock on Mar 5, 2008 22:09:18 GMT -5
Not to scare you about the CE tumbler (I use them too) but.....
First off, take the silver plate off the top of the CE tumbler. They over heat if left on. Second go buy a few o-rings the same size as the belt. The original belt will break in about 4 days. The little pulley on the motor will need to be replaced down the road but you will get a couple of tumbles out of it. After this is done you will have a OK tumbler.
I'm still pretty new too but this is what little I know. I'm sure there are others with more experience that will help, but here goes.
You need to keep the tumbler about 1/2 to 3/4 full to keep the rocks from getting banged up and so they rub together with the grit. The pellets just keep it filled up for harder rocks(rocks get smaller as they tumble) and the pellets cushion when tumbling with softer rocks.
If your rocks are all similar hardness they can probably go together, if you have enough. If not you can use pellets or just use some softer or similar hardness rocks for fill (check out a back alley).
If you want to practice first go for some agate or jasper. It tumbles really nice.
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geogoddess
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Post by geogoddess on Mar 5, 2008 23:24:19 GMT -5
If you don't want to run the rocks you have... you can pick up an assortment from therockshed.com for a few bucks.
They also have the pellets, which you won't need until the 2nd or 3rd stages. My local rock shop also has pellets at some crazy cost... so I picked up a bag of 88 cent rubber bands. Cut them into 6ths or 8ths, and used those instead of pellets.
If you use pellets, or rubber bands or some other cushioning material (other than rocks), you'll want to use a new batch of pellets for each stage. (You can reuse pellets from the pre-polish in other prepolish runs, but don't use them in the polish run)
I've tried to run a batch with the barrel less than half full... my results were not spectacular.
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Roan
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Post by Roan on Mar 5, 2008 23:39:34 GMT -5
Geogoddess,
Marbles can follow through all the stages, no? With using pellets instead in the polish stage?
Eileen
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L.L.
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Post by L.L. on Mar 5, 2008 23:47:22 GMT -5
You can also pick up the pellets at most arts and craft shops. I saw them in Michaels the other day in two pound bags for I think about $6. They're the same thing that crafters make Beanie Baby type figures out of. In fact, during the summer my wife checks out any stuffed animals she sees at yard sales to see if they have beads in them. The last batch she brought home provided a couple of pounds of pellets from a dollars worth of yard sale stuffed animals. Late in the day, most people practically give that type of thing away. I have found a couple of things that had the wrong kind of beads in them, but most have been right. I have all the pellets I think I will ever need this way.
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Post by Titania on Mar 6, 2008 7:54:53 GMT -5
Personally, I don't like the pellets. I use ceramic tumbling media instead. I put them through all of the stages (after 60/90) with the rocks, no need to change them out based on stage. When the rocks are done, I put the pellets back onto the 220 stage and off we go again.
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holdemplyer
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Post by holdemplyer on Mar 6, 2008 7:58:12 GMT -5
L.L., the beads from stuffed animals at garage sales, that's freaking brilliant! for other filler, i'm currently using those kinda glass "gems" that people use to hold silk flowers in place. Got a two pound bag at michaels, they are normally 7 bucks i think, but they were on sale this week. Plus I never go there w/o a coupon.
Dewman, sorry i can't give any other advice, i'm pretty new myself, should be getting my first batch done today or tomorrow! click on the search feature, enter the term "vibe" change the settings at the bottom to couple of hundred days instead of 7, and i change the option from post to thread. There you will find many answers to many questions! I've found many answers to my questions and even learned things that i didn't even think about yet.
Alex
*eyes the mountain of stuffed animals in the corner* hmmmmmm
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Post by Titania on Mar 6, 2008 8:31:39 GMT -5
Oh, I also sometimes use aquarium gravel. You can get a 10 lb bag for pretty cheap at your local pet store. If you want to give it a try, look for the very small natural "river stone" type rocks. You definitely don't want to use the painted ones...what a mess that would make.
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geogoddess
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Post by geogoddess on Mar 6, 2008 12:23:13 GMT -5
I haven't seen any suggestions about marbles... personally, I'd be worried they'd break. And for my little 1.5 lb tumbler, I think most would be too big.
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Roan
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Post by Roan on Mar 6, 2008 14:58:40 GMT -5
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181lizard
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Post by 181lizard on Mar 6, 2008 22:24:46 GMT -5
Dewman...I'm pretty sure there's a thread on tumbling around here. (like how-to....not just tumbling...sheesh.) Maybe another RTH'r can point us in that direction. If not...here's what I'd do.
I think all of us can agree that rollingstone (Don) is the pre-eminent tumbler around these parts. If you REALLY want to learn how to do it well...look for his posts & read, read, read.
There's lots of different ways to tumble and you'll find your path but there are some basics.
* Usually 4 stages *Best to have 4 different barrels designated for each stage. (not mandatory but most agree, if you can afford them, it really helps.) *Most use plastic pellets in last 3 stages. (with a rotary tumbler) Should use pellets designated to each stage too. SIDE NOTE: No...you don't have to use pellets, there are other mediums you can use but once again...if it's good enough for Don...it's good enough for me. *In between stages always burnish rocks and/or plastic pellets with each load. Most of us use borax. (20 mule team brand in the grocery stores) (another way of saying "wash" but it also helps with the polishing process.) *I throw bought and found rocks in together, but keep your eye on them cause they may get eaten at different rates. *Stage 1 is the MOST important part of your tumble. Takes the longest but you will get better results the longer you let them shape. *Be patient. *Be patient. *Oh...and...be patient.
Truthfully...keep reading threads. You'll be amazed at what you'll learn.
Welcome!
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Post by cpdad on Mar 6, 2008 23:20:53 GMT -5
dewman...liz got it right...rollingstone is the bomb as far tumbles go....but its kinda like walking into a million dollar house...when you can only afford a 100,000 house.....it will be kinda hard to do with the CE tumbler....but good results can be attained with what you have....i use them....with modifications as scott said....remove cover and get more belts as he said...i can give you oring number tomm...i forgot what is for now.
without getting to long here....i type 1/2 handed now ;D....my 1st suggestion is get 6 lbs of the same rock....whether from the driveway...or the rockshed.com......please dont get amy....it may just beat you down ;D.
i do not beleive the grit packs you picked up may help much....but hey you can try ;D....the rough stage may be O.K......may want to pick up a combo from the rockshed....seems to work nicely....for me anyway.
for now...forget about pellets...marbles....glass filler.....just get 6 lbs of any rock ya want to tumble....and come back here...when you are ready to get going....kev.
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dewman
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Post by dewman on Mar 7, 2008 16:02:32 GMT -5
Thanks guys!! I'll be back in a bit with more questions. Hahahahaha!
That really sucks about the CE tumbler. I just don't have the money to drop on a really nice one. I'm about to go buy some more belts (they were out last time) and look for some of those pellets. I'll go to the local Hobby Lobby (and Micheal's if I HAVE to). But I was wondering...do you think that the little plastic bbs (used for airsoft guns) would work???
What if you don't know about the hardness of some rocks. I have some rocks that came in a kit so I know what they are and can look up their hardness (such as, quartz, agate, aventurine, tiger eye, and unakite). They're small, and weigh about 5 - 10g a piece. I assume because they were packaged together, that I can tumble them together. (I also have a piece of gold ore...I wonder how that would polish up?)
However, I have some large stones I found. Just smooth "yard" rocks that look neat. They're about 60 - 100g (2.2 - 3.6oz) And also some really cool pieces of quartz I got in Colorado that I don't want to mess up (one is 51g...almost 2 oz...and somewhat translucent).
Tell you what, I'll try to post some pics of my "before" rocks when I get back from the store. (What really sucks...they're aren't any good rock shops around here. There is one that like 40 miles away in a neighboring city.)
THANKS GUYS!!!
in Texas, ~DewMan
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dewman
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Post by dewman on Mar 7, 2008 17:13:45 GMT -5
Guess what! Harbor Freight didn't have replacement belts...and said that it would be two to three weeks before they got any more in! So, I've taken the belt off the CE tumbler and I'll take it with me to fine an o-ring that's the same size. Hope I can find one. Now, let me find my camera.
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Post by Cher on Mar 7, 2008 18:36:55 GMT -5
Welcome to RTH Dewman. Once you get them little CE's all set up they are pretty good. I've had mine now for 4 years.
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dewman
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Post by dewman on Mar 7, 2008 18:41:32 GMT -5
So, I posted a pic of the rocks I have and want to tumble posted in the photo gallery in a thread called My before pics... Check them out and tell me what you think. Think I could tumble them all together? Think I can use bbs for airsoft guns for the pellets? Or I found some plastic beads at Hobby Lobby that were used for crafts and stuff, but they had holes in them. Or are rubber bands the best? I also found a box of rocks for tumbling at Hobby Lobby for about $8 (that has rose quartz, red agate, red aventurine, green aventurine, goldstone, unakite, and tiger eye). They're small, but I could start out with them. Thanks guys! This is a neat place. I'm going to start reading up on other thread, but help a brother out! ~DewMan
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dewman
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Post by dewman on Mar 7, 2008 18:42:37 GMT -5
Welcome to RTH Dewman. Once you get them little CE's all set up they are pretty good. I've had mine now for 4 years. 4 YEARS? Wow...maybe mine will last too!! Thanks for the welcome!
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weaselrunner
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Post by weaselrunner on Mar 7, 2008 19:25:49 GMT -5
For our first load, I had my daughter go to the driveway and pick out gravel she liked. We are on stage 3 now and my wife couldent believe it was just "driveway gravel".
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geogoddess
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Post by geogoddess on Mar 7, 2008 19:51:30 GMT -5
You can likely tumble all those rocks together. The Unakite, goldstone and tiger eye are a bit softer... but if you keep an eye on them then that'll be fine.
I don't know about the plastic beads you found. But you won't need them for at least 1 week, and very likely 2 weeks, if you want to wait.
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Post by cpdad on Mar 7, 2008 22:46:36 GMT -5
its o ring # 340...kev.
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