lparker
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Post by lparker on Apr 16, 2008 12:16:27 GMT -5
Question - on therockshed ultra vibe page they say "These vibrating tumblers work great for pre-shaped and water worn pebbles". Does that mean that there is a better tumbler for rough rock?
Thanks, Lee
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rallyrocks
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Post by rallyrocks on Apr 16, 2008 13:33:51 GMT -5
Processing true "rough" benefits from the harder cutting action that rotary tumblers provide, if you have a rotary already and are looking for a second machine, you can dedicate the rotary to course cycles and use the vibe for everything beyond that, but if you already have a vibe, I'd point you to something like the QT series Lortones or bigger Thumblers. Since coarse cycles generally take longer in the first place, as well a being the lowest yield, and a vibe cuts down the time on subsequent stages, you will want your rotary to feed a few batches through at a time to keep the vibe busy...that would be my suggestion anyway.
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lsmike
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Post by lsmike on Apr 16, 2008 14:47:00 GMT -5
Rallyrocks is a giver of great advice.Specifically,I can recommend the Gy-Roc vibe and the Lotto is excellent but the limited size of single rocks and total load is not for everyone's purposes. Vibes are super for pre-forms and cabs 'cause they won't change the size or shape - what goes in comes out but shinier.Mike.
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lparker
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Post by lparker on Apr 16, 2008 15:02:50 GMT -5
I've got a Lortone 33B and was thinking about getting the Thumbler 18 lb model. The Lortone won't keep up with the Thumbler. I've hundreds of lbs of obsidian I can process now and 80+ lbs of mixed agates coming from a board member here. I guess what I what to know is - what is the ONE tumbler I need to process this?
Thanks, Lee
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rallyrocks
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Post by rallyrocks on Apr 16, 2008 16:55:25 GMT -5
What I've been doing is runing one or both barrels of my QT-6 with coarse, then transferring down to the 33B barrels when I'm happy with them for medium, pre-and polish stages.
With that I can't quite turn out a 3lb batch per week, but another 33B would just about do the trick.
They are great for starting out, but once you get past having just a couple of lbs or so to process, I think the drawbacks to the smaller rotary are twofold, not enough material running at a time, and too much time for each cycle, which is why I'd be adding a vibe as my next acquisition, as the reduced running time alone would be better at keeping up with the output of the 6lb'ers.
In any case I think I'd still be pointing you towards the 18lb Thumblers you mentioned, or else one of the QT Lortones, probablyone with the 12 lb barrel- once you get into 100+ lbs you really are going to want a higher capacity machine first and foremost.
However, I would qualify that to suggest you avoid the really big machines, like any with more than a 20lb capacity, as the hassle of dealing with that much sludge and excess weight just seems like too much trouble and not enough fun.
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oriongal
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Post by oriongal on Apr 19, 2008 9:36:11 GMT -5
I also have noticed that the larger rotary tumblers seem to process faster than the smaller, and wondered why that was so. I've found that the QT12 will usually need to be recharged within 3-4 days, the QT6 in about a week, but the 33B usually needs around ten days before its grit is expended (with all running coarse). I don't measure out the grit down to the grain, of course, but I'm pretty sure I'm putting in equal amounts per load size (and the slurry is the same consistency when opened). I concur with the idea that there is such a thing as too big as well, at least from the hobbyist standpoint. The QT-12 barrel is about as much as I ever want to have to lift and carry when fully charged, don't think I'd care to try anything larger. They also get to be grit-eating monsters at the larger sizes, I can see now why people would be looking to make 50lbs+ grit purchases. When it takes around a pound of grit to charge a barrel and it is being consumed inside a week - that's a lot of grit, real fast. lparker - another thing that will cut down on the processing time of rough rock is a trim saw, like the Workforce (sold through Home Depot). The WF is a tile saw, but it works well on rock too. And they're useful even for people (like me) who aren't cabbing or slabbing - just trimming off the edges of rough rock makes a difference. If you aren't having to rely solely on the tumbler to smooth out all the edges or eliminate or reduce the pits or valleys, you won't have to leave the rocks in coarse nearly as long. And you also have the added benefit of getting a preview of what your rock will look like finished, on the cut faces when they're wet.
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lparker
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Post by lparker on May 9, 2008 14:39:34 GMT -5
I've got a workforce..just about have to get a new blade for it...
As far as tumblers...I made up my mind and ordered 2 Lortone 12 lb'ers. Shawn at Rockshed said he likes these better than 12 lb thumbler rotaries. He did tell me that I could use a vibratory, but they take up too much of my time to baby and I'd have to replace the barrel every six months doing rough tumbles.
So the plan is to run the heck out of the Lortones on agates and jaspers and pick up a VT-10 in a month or two.
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darrad
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Post by darrad on May 9, 2008 20:26:22 GMT -5
I think you are going to like the QT12. Mine feeds my 3# rollers with all the shaped rough I need and I agree the larger tumbler does a faster job roughing the material to shape.
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lparker
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Post by lparker on May 18, 2008 12:51:07 GMT -5
Aaaargghh, ordered the 9th, shipped the 14th going from SD to CO to OH to the middle of NY and back to WNY for delivery the 20th...............shoulda opted for 3 day delivery....the waiting is killing me.....
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lparker
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Post by lparker on May 20, 2008 13:20:53 GMT -5
My patience payed off...Fed Ex showed up this morning. They are both rolling coarse chuck full (well, 2/3 fill) of Utah's finest agates and jaspers..let you know what happens in a couple weeks.
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