racoon
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Post by racoon on May 11, 2008 19:06:42 GMT -5
Hi, Yes: Drilling. Clearly not tumbling, but I bet there are some folks here who have experience drilling through various rocks and gems and have some tips.
I would like to drill holes in some recently tumbled rocks that were gathered at a beach: Granite, basalt, jasper, agate, etc. The holes would be from 1/8" to 3/8". Max depth would be 3 inches. Average depth 1 1/2". I'm guessing I need a high speed drill (Foredom?) with a Diamond bit. A would guess a Drill Press would be required and some way of supplying a steady stream of cooling water.
Thanks for any suggestions. This is an exciting new project for me. Tim
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Post by Bikerrandy on May 11, 2008 19:18:34 GMT -5
For a hole that deep, I'd say that you'll go through 5 or 6 diamond bits to get through. Drilling my necklace pendents (about 1/8th inch thick) is a challenge, espesially on the agates, not to mention the time that it takes to one hole. If you find a drill bit long enough, you'll spend an hour or two drilling one hole. Someone else here might have different opinions, I'm probably sounding a bit pesamistic. Most of us here use a Dremel.
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racoon
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Post by racoon on May 11, 2008 19:53:34 GMT -5
Re. Bikerrandy's response: I was thinking it would be tricky, but maybe there are faster methods of drilling if one is able to find the right equipment. The only similar experience I have had is drilling through concrete. Concrete drilling went fast with a rotohammer drill and the correct bits----and of course we drilled right through the rock aggregate in the concrete.....So maybe with the right equipment and expensive bits or core drilling tools it could go faster.(?) And of course rock hardness, texture, density, etc. will vary things.
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Post by deb193redux on May 11, 2008 19:56:34 GMT -5
I've used Dremel for 1mm to 2.5 mm holes with about 4-5mm depth. I have also used Craftsman cordless drill (regular) with 7mm-11mm core drills to make 3mm-6mm tabs on the top of stones for mounting. I have also used a drill press with 28mm - 47mm core drills to cut discs out of 1/8 to 1/2 inch thick slabs. I have NOT tried deeper holes of any diameter. These tall drill bits are much more expensive.
In all these cases water was crucial. For the holes I got upto 6 holes per drill bit, but once it took two drill bits to finish a hole. Sometimes a $2 drill bit performs better than the $0.75 one, but not always. They either wear out or break. The 1mm break a lot.
The core bits last longer. For narrow ones I use to shape the top of stones, I might get 15 tops. For the larger cores, I have not had one wear out, but I only have done about 10 discs on each of my 6 core bits. Here I think more expensive sintered might last longer, but I do have a good performing braised one.
Lifting the bit to allow water to flush the hole is important. The bit does not have to come all the way out. However this might make the top of the hole a little wider than the bottom.
Another problem is spawl (a kind of blast out) on the bottom. Putting the stone on a piece of tile or brick can minimize this, but it is harder to do with a hand-held Dremel. Some even use silicone sealant to hold the stone on the brick.
Get drill bits for granite or porcelain, or lapidary bits. Like saw blades, ones designed for tile or concrete will not work well on hard materials.
For the 3" holes, consider making a core so as to remove less material.
I recommend you start mall with a 2mm hole in 1/4" thick agate. Try several types of bits, Dremel, and drill press. See what seems workable for you.
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Post by deb193redux on May 11, 2008 20:01:18 GMT -5
You might talk to some poeple who begin spheres with 3" cores (find them on the web, or selling their scraps on ebay) and ask them about their bits and press, but this seems heavier than what you need. This company has more industrial equipment and does offer soem pre-sales consulting. It would mean rigging a press for the 5/11 threaded top and the flow-through swivel for water down the center. www.ukam.com/diamond_core_drills.htmlI do not think I have seen anyone here make a 4" deep 3" core, but I have seen such cores. Good luck
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racoon
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Post by racoon on May 11, 2008 20:05:57 GMT -5
Thanks deb193... Some really good info. I'll probably start experimenting on some of these very nice granite rocks using my present Dewalt drills. But I'm guessing I'll have to get something with faster revs.
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Post by docone31 on May 11, 2008 21:07:09 GMT -5
With stones with holes that size, use either copper wire, or copper pipe. Build a well, harden the wire, or pipe, fill the well with grit, and drill away. As the wire, or pipe wears away, it is replaced with existing stock which is the same diameter as the start hole. You will tear up diamond bits if you try to drill that size. The speed for drilling with copper is much slower than diamond. It is a bit relaxing as far as motor noise, and seems to go as fast. You MUST have the other side of the stone permanently anchored where the hole is, or you will get a blow out. Standard for either diamond, or copper wire drilling.
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Post by racoon on May 12, 2008 1:04:09 GMT -5
Dear Godlike docone31, My, that's an interesting technique. First thing tomorrow, I'll get some of my trusty copper wire and pipe on the job, build a well, harden the wire (I love doing that), fill up the well with some of my trusty grit and give'er hell. I figured any normal, off the rack system would be useless. Thanks so much. Much more relaxing! (Just kidding. Actually your system is over my pay-grade.)
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Post by Jack ( Yorkshire) on May 12, 2008 3:28:52 GMT -5
Hi Racoon, Here is a link to Drilling rocks in the lapidary tips section forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=tips&thread=15298&page=3The size you are tempting use a drill press and rock submerged in water I drilled 21 holes in about a hour (in a drill Press) some 2mm some 4 mm core drill in Jasper and 1 of 3/4" and local Yellow quartze only one fatality in a amozonite( too near the end) I found out I could "feel" the drill biting better and see the clouds of dust thrown out as i lifted the drill bit , at this slower speed in the drill press, also the drill lasted longer Jack Yorkshire uk
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Post by cutter on May 12, 2008 7:10:05 GMT -5
Howdy all. I agree with all said above. My two cents worth. Drilling with diamond is not a speed contest. Running too fast just burns up cores or bits. Granite City Tool out of Waite Park Minnesota is a good Co. that I have been doing business with for a while now and they have good people to work with you. They sell several different kinds of bits and cores. Closet to your description would be the :Blue Diamond Electroplated Drills. The small end of the spectrum is 3/16" diam. and 4" cutting depth. It will cost $58.00. It does have a 5/8" brass nut chuck end. You would have to rig it to fit into a traditional drill or drill press. The shanks and tip replacement runs $18.00. These are hollow cores for center water feed. I always drill in a tinkers dam with a little water covering my stone. I like moulding clay for this purpose. Still your stone must not be able to move around. Granits City also has lots of other cool products. Grits. polishes, addhesives, sealers grinding and polishing pads and heads for all kind of stone work. Check them out WWW.Granitecitytool.com
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racoon
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Post by racoon on May 12, 2008 12:24:53 GMT -5
This is great info. Thanks all for your suggestions.
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Post by bobby1 on May 12, 2008 18:17:40 GMT -5
You might check with Jadecarver. I've seen him with a lot of Chinese diamond drill bits at various shows. They seem somewhat less expensive. Bob
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