Larry
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Post by Larry on Jun 10, 2008 10:33:57 GMT -5
Hello all. I am new here and new to the tumbling hobby. I am partially through my first set of tumbles on my new 33B. All I am using right now is found beach rocks for the most part until I decide where I want to go with this. Western NY is not necessarily a hotbed of fantastic rocks.
My question is... I have found some rocks that I have a feeling would look much better on the inside than on the outside. Should I cut or otherwise break them open before tumbling or will they tumble down enough to show some color? I'm not interested in slabs but just a better looking tumbled product.
Take some obsidian for instance. From pics I've seen, the outside is plain but the cuts are real nice. Would that tumble down to the nice stuff if left uncut?
Thanks for any responses. I have been reading these forums way too much and enjoy the knowledge you all bring.
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AGATEGRRRL
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AGATEGRRRL
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Post by AGATEGRRRL on Jun 10, 2008 10:43:24 GMT -5
Hi Larry & welcome. I personally like to cut my stuff open if I feel that is has something better inside. Often there is good color or pattern buried in a rock that can't be reached by tumbling alone. I also like to cut them into small slabs & tumble them for jewelry as opposed to leaving them irregularly shaped. I don't think that you have anything to lose by cutting a few & seeing if it makes any difference for you. Also, lots of people break up their tumbling material, so have some fun & experiment with a few pieces!
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Post by Noosh9057 on Jun 10, 2008 12:46:16 GMT -5
WElcome to the site. I think that Agategrrrl is right I dont think it would hurt to break up some. That way you can see how thay would look. For the most part if thay are not to big I dont break them up. But that is me.
Roger
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textiger
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Post by textiger on Jun 10, 2008 12:52:35 GMT -5
It also would enable you to get the kind of shapes you may be wanting for a particular project, etc. If you don't have one, you may want to consider a Workforce tile saw at Home Depot (runs about $88). Have fun.
matt
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Larry
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Post by Larry on Jun 10, 2008 13:22:19 GMT -5
Thank you for the responses. I will go ahead and break a few of the pieces and see. I just wasn't sure how much came off the rocks when tumbling but, as suggested, I may miss something nice by just tumbling whole. I was going to look into the Workforce but I think I have a little more convincing to do to get the go-ahead on that one. At this point I will just try the old brute force method to see if I can get a chunk off. Thanks again!
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Post by johnjsgems on Jun 10, 2008 13:33:45 GMT -5
If you break rocks cover them with an old towel or something. Flying rock splinters can be very hazardous. If you are collecting your own invest in an Estwing rock pick or hammer to chip away weathered coatings to see what lurks within.
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lsmike
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Post by lsmike on Jun 10, 2008 17:00:05 GMT -5
Brocken rocks are going to be rougher than cut or ground and so will take more rough grit cycles to smooth.With my Laker agates I may do a little grinding then tumble if the rock is nice looking to begin.If not,I grind a lot or cut and am often pleasantly surprised. Mike,
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Post by Michael John on Jun 11, 2008 1:17:38 GMT -5
One of the mysteries to me, to be honest, is why people tumble rocks in their "natural state", as if by default. Hanging around here, I've seen batch after batch of beautiful tumbled rocks, but it always leaves me wondering, "What the hell are they going to DO with a bunch of shiny rocks?"...
I can understand needing pretty polished rocks for a gem tree, or to fill a pretty crystal bowl for your coffee table, but polishing rocks just to "have" polished rocks seems sort of pointless to me. Most of the real pretty polished rocks that I see could have easily been cut and ground into a cab or cut into a preform within 5 minutes on a WF, and then tumbled into a gorgeous piece of jewelry, to be thoroughly enjoyed, and passed down as a family heirloom. On the other hand, non-rockers who inherit rock collections almost always just sell them for whatever they can get, usually not even knowing the value of what they have or appreciating the beauty.
Another way to look at it is SHARING. If you gave a good (non-rocker) friend a polished rock, chances are that they'd politely accept it, but barely ever give it a second thought. Now, if you had taken five minutes to trim it into a preform before you tumbled it, then made it into a simple piece of jewelry, that gift would mean a LOT more to your friend! They'd wear it, get compliments on it, start conversations with it, and (most importantly) think of you every time they wear it.
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rollingstone
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Post by rollingstone on Jun 11, 2008 4:59:00 GMT -5
I guess I come at it from a different perspective. I have no idea what people do with cabs after they've made 100 or so cabochons. In my own personal case, I don't wear jewellery, nor does my wife, nor does my daughter. So whether it's tumbled stones, wire wrap or cabochons, jewellery would really just be a waste of time -- jewellery just doesn't make it around here. I tumble stuff for the fun of seeing rough, dirty rock made into something pleasing and shiny. Does it really have to be any more than that? ? -Don
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fanatic
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Post by fanatic on Jun 11, 2008 5:17:31 GMT -5
Thats my perspective too rollingstone. Tumbling is my hobby, not my full or part time job. I like before and after samples to show folks. I also love to see kids faces when you tell them to pick out three or four polished rocks they can have for their own. I've already ruined two hobbies by trying to make money off them and it finally sunk in.
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yotmv
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Post by yotmv on Jun 11, 2008 10:58:33 GMT -5
I personally use them for landscaping.
My current plan is to make a nice trail in the back yard of polished rocks. Needless to say, I have a lot of work ahead of me for that. But I think the finished product will be extremely nice.
Also, I have some in flowerbeds, pots, etc.
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Larry
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Post by Larry on Jun 11, 2008 12:18:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips. I just put my first batch into prepolish last night so I am really looking forward to a finished product.
As for what the point is... there is none really. I have no direction once I empty the barrel for the last time. At this point it is just to satisfy my fascination with rocks mainly. Plus, my daughter loves rocks and I'm sure she would love shiny ones even more.
I'm starting small then if I find I am absolutely addicted to it, I'll move up to getting a saw and making cabs and jewelry and such.
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textiger
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Post by textiger on Jun 11, 2008 12:38:02 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying, MichaelJohn, but I get plenty of satisfaction just having polished stones to look at, to pick up and to hold. Some I cut into shapes. I want to make some jewelry (pendants, wire wraps, etc.) and some I just like in their uncut state. Part of the fun for me is seeing what emerges during the tumble process -- from a non-descript hunk to a smooth and shiny treasure. In fact, I often liken tumbling to treasure-hunting. It's fun to see what's inside and to watch it change throughout the tumbling process.
matt
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Post by sitnwrap on Jun 11, 2008 12:42:32 GMT -5
Wish you luck with your new found hobby. My part of the world is not great for rock hunting either. I remembered a post in here somewhere where a member found some great rocks at an aquarium shop. A couple days ago, I decided to go to an aquarium shop up the road. I got some absolutely beautiful rocks. One is so colorful, it does not look real, but it is. The store owner said he got them from out of Utah. I paid under a 1.00 a pound for the stuff.
Just a suggestion for you.
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Post by Michael John on Jun 11, 2008 13:05:51 GMT -5
I didn't mean to upset the apple cart, I just gave my perspective. Like any art, everyone has their own perceptions.
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