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Post by Tonyterner on Aug 27, 2008 10:40:38 GMT -5
Does anyone dop with epoxy? How do you get the stones off? I haven't had any luck with wax, I don't think I get it to the correct temperature, or superglue. I have no idea why the superglue keeps failing. Sometimes it looses its bond to the stick and others to the stone.
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Saskrock
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Post by Saskrock on Aug 27, 2008 12:02:46 GMT -5
I use 5min epoxy, it comes off really easy if you soak it in hot water for a minute. A little hot on the fingers but it softens right up.
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Post by kap on Aug 27, 2008 12:48:29 GMT -5
I use the 5min also and run hot water over the epoxy and use a thin knife to remove it from the stone. I like the epoxy and have not had one come off. Keith
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Post by Woodyrock on Aug 27, 2008 13:25:18 GMT -5
Tony, I use superglue (a thick one), and rarely have one come off. I occasionaly have to saw one off even when using the release stuff. Are you degreasing the back before you glue? I wipe the back with acetone before gluing. If you are having superglue fail, it could be saw oil residue, and in that case, the epoxy will also fail. Woody
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Post by stardiamond on Aug 27, 2008 14:13:17 GMT -5
I dop with my fingers. If I ever start cabbing daily, I will need to use dop sticks. Five days of healing works ok now. I hated dopping with wax. Burnt fingers from the wax and the dop stick kept coming off. I used good wax and proper technique. I was spending way too much time dopping compared to cutting.
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Post by bobby1 on Aug 27, 2008 14:13:29 GMT -5
I use wax and it rarely comes off. I don't use a dop pot, instead I use an alcohol lamp to heat the stones and dop stick. Getting the stone quite hot is the secret to making wax work. Don't dip the heated stone/dop in cold water. The shock might crack the stone. When you have finished polishing put the stone/dop stick in the freezer. It falls right off. Just my preferred method. Bob
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Post by akansan on Aug 27, 2008 14:53:37 GMT -5
I've not had a problem with wax either. I've tried superglue and epoxy, both have failed on the stone and succeeded on my hands. Technically (according to the instructions) I do my wax wrong. As soon as I turn the dop pot on, I set the stones on the ledge. By the time the wax is melted, the stones are PLENTY hot. Then I just set them aside (stone side down) to cool on a stack of papers. There is lead time in prepping, but really no more so than 5 minute epoxy...
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Post by Bikerrandy on Aug 27, 2008 15:33:14 GMT -5
I use superglue on the small cabs with a 16 penny nail. I do all of the larger ones by hand. Superglue works great, and pops right off after 20 minutes in the freezer.
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Post by Tony W on Aug 27, 2008 16:59:19 GMT -5
Hey, Tony. I use 5 minute epoxy sometimes and super glue gel most times. If I have trouble getting it loose I soak it in water over night. If I'm in a hurry I go at it with a utility knife with a new blade. I've only broken one using the blade and it already had a crack in it that I didn't see. Super glued stones come right off in water and pretty quick. T
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Post by free4rms on Aug 27, 2008 18:21:42 GMT -5
I guess I will jump in on this one, too. Yep, the freezer is the easiest trick to remove anything from a dop. I have never had a problem with thick super glue (as someone mentioned, you can't have any oil residue), and never had one let go. I use the spritz type accelerator to make the glue dry quicker. Super Glue is my number one choice, but if you want to try something different and kinda weird, try the super adhesive type of Liquid Nails, the stuff that holds paneling in place. Once it dries overnight, it absolutely will not let go. When you are done cabbing, put the dop stick and cab on a paper towel in a microwave for about 20 seconds. The liquid nails turns to a soft putty and you can remove the cab easily (let it cool for a minute before removing it from the dop stick). A paper towel dampened with MEK, paint thinner, or acetone will wipe any residue off the cab instantly. This also works great for adhering an end cut of agate to a block of wood so you can get the last few cuts from an agate in a slab saw. I told you this would sound weird, but believe me, it really works well.
Vance
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Post by stonesthatrock on Aug 27, 2008 18:57:35 GMT -5
i use super glue and hot water, works for me
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Post by Tonyterner on Aug 28, 2008 8:48:49 GMT -5
Thanks all. I've never had a problem getting any cabs off of the sticks, its keeping them on that is the problem. Now I have to admit I wasn't wiping the backs with acetone, never thought of that, but that doesn't explain why it releases from the stick. I'm assuming that the wood dowel is absorbing water, expanding and popping the stone off. I prefer to go free hand for the most part but I have a woman who wants to give cabbing a try but her long nails would be an issue with my method. I'll try cleaning the stones first and give the epoxy a try.
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Post by Saskrock on Aug 28, 2008 12:10:04 GMT -5
I think i know your problem with the super glue. It dosen't stick too well to wood in my experience. The wood just sucks it up till its gone. Try something metal like a nail. It will probably work then.
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Post by UtahRockHound on Aug 28, 2008 23:46:44 GMT -5
I have only been cabbing a short time, but I have tried the epoxy, glue and such. They work, but I still prefer the wax. Couple things I learned, and I echo what bobby1 says. The trick is to get the stone hot, then let it cool natural. One thing I did that was a Duhhhh on my part, is are you covering the end of your stick with enough wax and not just around the edges. At first I only used a thin layer. Now when I prep a stick, I dip it in wax, let it hang upside down, and cool that way. After it has set, I then warm it and the stone over an alcohol lamp, then shape it to the stone. Once I started doing it this way, I have not had it pop off.
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Post by Tony W on Aug 29, 2008 0:29:47 GMT -5
Yeah, Scott is right... super glue won't do well with wood.. too porous. YOu can fill the pores with eurathane or some such, if you want then gel, but I just use epoxy with wood.. super gel with nails. T
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Post by kap on Aug 29, 2008 8:52:37 GMT -5
I use plastic golf tee's instead of wood or nails you can get them at Walmart 100 for about 6 bucks. Keith
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