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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2008 23:03:01 GMT -5
I'm not looking for anyone to give away their trade secrets, but maybe they could give me a little help in getting a better shine on my stones (insert your best joke here). I heard somewhere about adding sugar to the final stage. I thought this might be an old wives tale. Then I went to a local outdoor market where I mentioned it to a vendor who was selling polished stones. He amened the idea, and even said that pasta could be added to the batch. Well I got a bit overly ambitious and broke up some Raman noodles, and stuffed it into the barrel with the stones. About four days later, my wife thought she heard one of our cats barfing. Turns out the cats (and the dog) were okay, but the tumbler barrel literally blew its top. Made a mess. Lucky for me, I wasn't home to have to clean it up. I wasn't deterred though and this time I added some sugar. The stones had some shine after about a week, but still wasn't what I wanted. I tumble with my kids so I want the best outcome (just like I hope for them). There were still some scratches, and while they had a shine, they were still a bit dull. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks, John
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Post by Bikerrandy on Nov 13, 2008 23:18:11 GMT -5
Are the stones all the same hardness or close to it? Also, do you think that you ran them in the fine and pre-polish stages long enough? The only other thing that I can think of is did you do a burnish stage? (run them in straight Borax and water for 24 hours).
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Post by rollingstone on Nov 14, 2008 2:50:33 GMT -5
Skip the weird organic additives, they are just things looking to cause trouble. The purpose of them is not to give a better shine, but to make the slurry more viscous so things don't bang around in the barrel and cause the stones to chip. The problem is that they invite bacteria or yeast to start fermenting the organic material, leading to gas build-up and stinky explosions. If you want to slow the action in the barrel, use something inorganic like plastic or ceramic pellets, or just cut back on the water so the grit-water slurry mix is thick enough to prevent chipping. If you want a better shine -- make sure you tumble stones like agates that are hard enough to take a nice shine, only mix stones of similar hardness in the same barrel, do rough grinding until there are no pits or crevasses to trap grit and carry it to the next stage, wash barrels and stones scrupulously between grit stages to ensure no carryover of grit, tumble each stage long enough to remove the scratches from the previous grit stage (usually a week for the fine grind and the pre-polish stages, but longer if you have a lot of cushioning agent in the barrel), and run the polish stage for at least two weeks, three weeks is better, because you'll get a shine after one week, but a gleam after two or three weeks. With a home tumbler, you should be able to produce results that put commercially-tumbled stones to shame. -Don
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Post by Jack ( Yorkshire) on Nov 14, 2008 3:44:59 GMT -5
Hi John You got good advice from the 2 experts above , Burnish and skip the wierd additives !! I cant add anything but say Paitience is The golden rule along with Clinicaly clenliness The RTH 4 stage Guide is also very good , Heres the link to it for you www.rocktumblinghobby.com/cycle/cycle.htmlJack Yorkshire UK PS I and most people here enjoy sharing their recepies we all have our own ways and you might try them and not get the best out of it , In many ways its a lot of trial and experimenting which makes it so enjoyable Oh also keep a log of your experiments J
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2008 20:48:22 GMT -5
Thanks to all of you who gave advice. It is much appreciated. To clarify what I have done so far, I have been tumbling agates and other hard stones. The first batch came with my new 3 lb. Thumlers (purchased last Christmas as a present for my kids). The rest have been stones purchased from The Rock Shed - First a mixed batch, then amethyst. I also washed them between stages with Borax, having read this idea on this website. I generally go 2 - 3 weeks with the first stage, and then a week at a time with the rest, with the exception of the final stage. Generally, I check them in the final stage after 4 days and then go another week to polish. Of course when I start, the batch is 1/2 to 2/3 full in the barrel, but then it gets to about 1/3 full for the last stage. I use plastic beads as a buffer, but perhaps this is not the right source or I perhaps I don't use enough. Any further thoughts would be appreciated. BTW...
Randy, Love the Ronald McDonald video. Thanks for the input. Rolling Stone - the shine on those stones puts me to shame. Jack - Thanks for the link. It's also cool to communicate with someone from England!
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Post by johnjsgems on Nov 14, 2008 21:03:25 GMT -5
It is best to be 3/4 full every stage. You may have to do several 1st stage tumbles to get enough good rock ready to move on to 2nd stage. Also use a good polish compound. The stuff that comes with tumblers isn't always the best. If you are buying rock from the Rock Shed try their aluminum oxide (I've heard a lot of great comments here about it but they won't answer my e-mails when I ask them about it) or a good grade of cerium. Be sure when you fill the barrels (to 3/4) you add just enough water to cover the load.
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Post by Bikerrandy on Nov 14, 2008 21:42:10 GMT -5
Ahhh yes, the rocks definately won't polish if the barrel is only 1/3 full. Basically, the rocks are just getting beat up. Every time you check the rocks in the first stage, remove the ones that are ready for the second stage, put them in a zip-lock and replace with new rocks. When you have enough smooth rocks in the zip-lock, time to go to the next stage. Do this with each stage, always keeping the barrel 3/4 full.
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Post by Bikerrandy on Nov 14, 2008 21:44:27 GMT -5
Oh- one more thing.... some of us use more than one tumbler, keeping the first stage going at all times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2008 23:31:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the input guys. Randy I really like your idea about the use of the ziplock bags. Part of my mistake is putting the whole batch into the next stage. I also thought it was a good idea to keep a stage one tumbler going at all times. I actually have two going now as I got my first tumbler (a Thumler's which I got for Christmas when I was about 10) which has to be around 35 years old, working! Thanks again.
Randy, I also checked out your website. Nice vehicles!
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