reelman
starting to spend too much on rocks
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Post by reelman on Feb 25, 2009 0:43:10 GMT -5
A dealer here in Oregon has some of the nicest polished rocks that I have seen. For his polish he uses Spic and Span in the powered form that came in paper boxes. The new bottled liquid does not work. Has anyone out there tried the old powder form as polish. I'm going to try a batch tomorrow. Arne
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Sabre52
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Me and my gal, Rosie
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Post by Sabre52 on Feb 25, 2009 9:00:21 GMT -5
I would think he's using it as the final burnish rather than the actual polish but before I tried any kind of soap or cleaning agent I'd check the ingredients as some types of soaps and detergents etc. contain things that can damage your rubber barrels and seals....Mel
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Post by johnjsgems on Feb 25, 2009 9:37:38 GMT -5
I remember when my son was young reading through ideas for science projects. They had one tumbling rocks using detergent for polish but I don't remember what detergent they used.
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misguidedone
noticing nice landscape pebbles
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Post by misguidedone on Feb 25, 2009 21:40:07 GMT -5
He calls himself; daRockman. I see him at all the Portland area events and he told me too, that he had to make a living doing rocks and he used SpicNspan Powder to polish with........... You liar, I thought! Most of his work that I saw were small Carnelian nodules and other natural pieces made into necklaces and there was nothing wrong with the polish. Think he has something? Steve
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reelman
starting to spend too much on rocks
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Post by reelman on Feb 25, 2009 23:38:57 GMT -5
The dealer I'm thinking of is Rooster's Rocks from the Oregon coast. Nicest tumbled polish I've seen. I started a polish and will check it in a couple of days.
Arne
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rockhound97058
freely admits to licking rocks
Thundereggs - Oregons Official State Rock!
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Post by rockhound97058 on Feb 26, 2009 0:14:40 GMT -5
My relative who taught me much of my Lapidary skills always used the regular Tide Laundry Soap powder along with his tumbling polish. I can't recall his exact words, but it does have a compound in it which does help the polishing action, as well as helps with the clean-up once your polishing is done.
Wish he was still around to pick his brain, but he passed away about 5 years ago. The old timers are always great to obtain information! I kick myself in the rear for not spending more time with him!
He always had a tumbler I could have used! It was a 600lb commercial tumbler. Ahhh the pieces I could roll with that!
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randy
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Post by randy on Feb 26, 2009 4:47:48 GMT -5
RH, My hindsight is crystal clear too. LOL.
Randy
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Post by frane on Feb 26, 2009 10:23:02 GMT -5
Yep, isn't it amazing how we get these insights when we get a little older Fran
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syfun
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Post by syfun on Feb 26, 2009 16:18:22 GMT -5
I did a little digging on the internet, and found this from www.sarmclub.com/care/Spic and Span has oxalic acid in it. It is an excellent source for the final polish of tumbled stones. Use one cup of Spic and Span for each six pounds of stones. (Not suggested for calcite-based stones or other soft stones. Test on your stones before using.)Steve
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docharber
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Post by docharber on Feb 26, 2009 17:14:45 GMT -5
Mel is making a good point. Oxalic acid will remove rust (hematite) stains and may discolor stones containing this colorant. And, the unbuffered acid could damage the surface (etch) carbonates like rhodochrosite, calcite, and malachite. I would test soak a bit of the material (a polished piece) in any agent I was going to use if I wasn't sure of the safety before I ruined a whole load. And, none of these agents mentioned will polish. Polishing is a grinding action and burnishing is a means of smoothing a surface by flattgening a surface without removing significant amounts of material. Burnishing agents are wetting agents and most cleaners are just that. Borax, quaternary ammo0nium compounds like Fantastic, dish detergent, bar soap, soap powder, borax- all do the same thing by making the surface tension of water less. and allowing more intimate contact between the stones being burnished I've read a little about the burninshing process and it's real voodoo- meltign at the water-stomne interface, and other bizarre rtheories. But, it works. .I would watch out for stuff like orange oil, by the way. It isn't a wetting agent, but a solvent like acetone or MEK or formaldehyde, without the fume hazards. It will make a stick mess out of some plastics and rubber materials. Interestingly, if you read the label on some quaternary ammonium cleanerts like Fantastic or 409, they warrn you about etching glass and advise against using the cleaners on glass. Glass certainly will etch in the dishwasker, where you use hot lye solution and chlorinated compounds for cleaning (alkalis like lye -soodium hydroxide-convert fatty acids to soaps). I wonder if some of these lye containing cleaners likeTop Job and Mr. CLean would damage stones.
Mark H.
Mark H.
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Post by Jack, lapidaryrough on Feb 26, 2009 18:09:24 GMT -5
Spic-span has a high amount of Pumice in the dry from.
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reelman
starting to spend too much on rocks
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Post by reelman on Mar 4, 2009 0:13:30 GMT -5
I tried the Spic & Span powder for a week. My used plastic pellet filler came out as clean as new. The rocks were mixed. Some of the agate and jasper wasn't bad. Going to put in polish for a week. It might work on a vibe but not my rotary tumbler.
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Post by johnjsgems on Mar 4, 2009 9:51:46 GMT -5
At least you know how to clean your plastic media.
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