washougal
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Post by washougal on Mar 5, 2009 21:43:20 GMT -5
I am kind of new to this so I had a couple of questions.
1. I am tumbling agates that have lots of pits and so forth. Is it best to run these in course grind until those pits are all gone?
2. The bigger agates I find are 2-4 inches in diameter. Should I cut those up before I tumble them or try to tumble large pieces without cutting, if they will fit in the tumbler?
3. Is there a benefit to trimming up pieces with a saw to get them in better shape for tumbling?
Like I said.. Stupid questions I suppose.
Thanks for any help that is offered
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Post by johnjsgems on Mar 5, 2009 22:06:59 GMT -5
Not stupid at all. A lot of people shape, cut or grind away bad places to speed up the tumbling process.
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Post by Sabre52 on Mar 5, 2009 22:12:13 GMT -5
*S* Not stupid questions at all. Most of us have found that stuff out through trial and error but, by asking questions first, you save yourself all the hassle.
1; Yes, the coarse stage is the most important for turning out good tumbles and it takes patience. Either run in coarse till the pits are gone or use the saw or grinder to get rid of the pits before you start the grind. Pits can trap grit and contaminate the other stages and detract from the appearance of you finished stones.
2. You can tumble pieces that size in a big tumbler like a 12 pounder but in small barrels you probably wouldn't get very good grinding action. Also, it's very important to have a mix of sizes from a few large to lots of small stuff. I never run more than a handful of larger stones in any one lot as you need the surface to surface action of the smaller stones to make sure each stage gets properly done. Also, remember the big stones can be real knockers in the later stages creating fractures or chips in the more delicate pieces in the lot so use lots of small stones and plastic pellets in those later stages to prevent the big'uns from smacking around the load too much.
3. Trimming or pregrinding stones has the advantage of letting you choose better shapes and remove imperfections before the stones start the coarse grind. This can give you nicer stone shapes for wrapping etc and a head start on the coarse grind which will shorten the time the stones have to spend in coarse to get good smooth shapes.
Good luck and have fun....Mel
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Post by MyNewHobby on Mar 5, 2009 22:22:10 GMT -5
The only stupid question is the one that is not asked!! You are asking great questions!!
I have only started late last year so I am new as well and learn everyday.
You cannot go wrong here .... as everyone is eager to help and guide.
As Always .... my humble thanks Julie
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washougal
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Post by washougal on Mar 5, 2009 22:36:51 GMT -5
I really appreciate the great information. It will get me off to a good start. I live on a river that has a lot of large agates, and is, for the most part, Columbia River gravels. So I am having a lot of fun learning how to get going. Again, thanks very much David
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Post by Jack ( Yorkshire) on Mar 6, 2009 4:13:02 GMT -5
Hi David,
Welcome to the board !!
Dont forget to add all the off cuts and a lot of small stuff to help the grinding / carry the grit round ,
Put to gether a good mixed size batch not to many 4" !!
Jack Yorkshire UK
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Post by connrock on Mar 6, 2009 8:45:12 GMT -5
Not to repaet what Jack said but something that is usually not done is to have at least 1/3 of any load being small pieces. Most people don't want to waste the room in the barrel and just put in the "good stuff" thinking they have done the right thing. The smaller pieces carry the grit around and also improve the surface contact between all of the rocks.
lotsa big rocks = very little surface contact.
lotsa small rocks = a LOT of surface contact.
connrock
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Post by NatureNut on Mar 6, 2009 9:19:26 GMT -5
I second what Connrock said. It also helps them gently "roll" over eachother so there is less crashing into eachother and less splintering, edge cracking, blush, etc. Jo
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Mar 6, 2009 12:31:59 GMT -5
All good advice! I can't think of a thing to add, other than that you might want to save the 3"-4" ones for cutting and cabbing. That way you'll get a lot more bang for your buck from one rock. Having said that, big tumbled stones can be really impressive (but they're also a lot of work!).
Chuck
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washougal
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Post by washougal on Mar 6, 2009 12:41:14 GMT -5
Thanks very much. I am off to add more small stuff to the current batch. I had picked a variety of the nice stuff at the expense of very many small pieces. I have one barrel of jasper and one barrel of agates going now and look forward to posting a picture when it is finished. Thanks very much for getting me on the right track! David
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Post by connrock on Mar 7, 2009 12:16:37 GMT -5
Dave, I didn't read this entire thread so I will just add that over loading the barrel is a VERY common mistake for newbies and the old pro's as well. connrock
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