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Post by MyNewHobby on Jul 13, 2009 21:46:29 GMT -5
I remember when I was in college and not so long ago ....
When it came to algebra, statistics, and research methods ... I had this overwhelming and yet deeply satisfying feeling and urgency to throw my textbooks right out the front door.
Since then I have finished college .... with a BA in Psy no less and now I have this "thing" called a vibe.
I am trying to remember how to "breathe" and calm myself enough to find that calm.
This little sucker ..... all it wants to do is vibrate (of all things) and now .... it is not even moving in a circle. Okay .... the answer is probably very simple and I have forgotten how to make this little monster my slave.
AAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Okay .... I think I feel better ... woof
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Post by tkrueger3 on Jul 13, 2009 22:16:09 GMT -5
Julie - "been there, done that!" After only one batch, I have a love/hate relationship with that blue noisemaker! Patience, dear - you'll get it figured out, as will I (I hope), and then we'll be in vibe nirvana!
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10thumbs
spending too much on rocks
I want to be reincarnated as a dog.
Member since March 2009
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Post by 10thumbs on Jul 13, 2009 22:29:29 GMT -5
The stones aren't moving in a circle? Or the vib isn't moving in a circle? If it's the later then the fix is easy. Bolt it to a paving stone. If it's the former than the answer is much more complicated. I was borrowing my father-in-laws vib. He uses it to clean up old metal parts for the cars he is restoring. Anyway, it took me forever to get the movement right going strictly by trial and error and frequent questions to the forum. The lessons I learned are:
1. It does not work on "new" rough. You have to use stones that are the equivalent of having graduated from the initial grinding stage in a rotary tumbler, whether you use a tumbler or a grinder or your saw to get them that way. 2. Moisture level is critical. Your stones should be wet and you have to keep them wet. The best way is with a spray bottle. An occasional spritz or two is usually all that is needed to restore the proper action. If you have a puddle in the bottom all your grit will become compacted at the bottom, the action will get screwed up you'll end up flattening your nicely shaped stones. 3. Fill level is critical. If you don't have enough rock in there you'll never get the right action.
I am not suggesting that this is everything there is to know. This is just what I learned so far. I've never finished a batch in a vib. Neither of my father-in-law's bowls are polish worthy. They sides are discolored from frequent use. I'm thinking about getting a couple of extra bowls for it though since some of the folks here finish their cabs in their vibs and the results are so awesome.
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Post by MyNewHobby on Jul 14, 2009 11:28:53 GMT -5
Good Morning All!
Okay ... a new day ... a new chance ...
The vibe as a whole does not move at all. Thank goodness! has not been moving at all ... just vibrating. Now I left it off last night with the lid off to see if drying out the batch may help.
Now (before I left for work) ... I added more filler (very small pieces I have kept in a baggie) and I also pulled the greater portion of the contents out and have wiped up/soaked up any additional fluid that I may not have seen when I started the batch initially.
Time will tell .... I get off work at 5 pm so this should be enough time for the batch to adjust itself.
As always ... Julie
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Jul 14, 2009 12:24:07 GMT -5
Your vibe should adjust itself in 2 minutes or less. Can you shoot another video of what you're seeing? That would help us troubleshoot.
Chuck
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Post by MyNewHobby on Jul 14, 2009 13:55:05 GMT -5
Thanks HardRock ...
A soon as I get home I will do just that.
As always Julie
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Post by Bikerrandy on Jul 14, 2009 19:02:26 GMT -5
Julie, take the bowl out into the back yard, fill it to the top with water one time, dump it out (carefully as not to dump the stones out), re-install it on the vibe and turn it back on.
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Post by johnjsgems on Jul 14, 2009 20:09:10 GMT -5
Julie,
I hate to say it but until you get the hang of the vibe tumbler you should probably avoid the all day or all night runs without being there to monitor it. Especially the 120/220 step. 500F not so critical and polish shouldn't be a problem. The 120/220 run you will need to check every two hours or so until you master the water situation.
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Post by MyNewHobby on Jul 14, 2009 20:23:27 GMT -5
Hi Kids .... I got home from work and the first thing I did was check the tumbler. What I found was a tumbler that was vibrating ... I think ... but not one even one itty bitty rock was moving .... and I mean not moving. So I got my wooden spatula and tried to move the contents around a bit and start it up. I then took a video and am now in the process of uploading into Photobucket. This is still a noisy sucker, but not as bad as the first one. I then read the responses and saw Randy's input and I immediately went to the back yard and did as instructed. I filled the bowl up, let it sit a bit and then dumped it. I cleaned off the outside of the bowl and put it back on the tumbler. I turned it on and it started to roll as it should and is moving slightly in a circular motion. I keep checking it to see if it is stalling again or just going in a circle and not rolling. So far, so good. One observation though ... the tumbler is acting (somewhat) like it is shifting gears. There is a good roll and circle going and then it slows down a little and the rolling slows down a little, then it picks up a bit. Should it be doing this? One thing though ... when I filled it up with water and dumped it, I probably lost a good portion of the grit. So .... should I a) leave it completely alone until tomorrow morning at which time I will see if I need to spritz and add any more grit? OR ... b) should I add the grit now and let it rip until tomorrow morning at which time I will spritz before going to work? I also have a question about an additional additive that comes with the tumbler. Could this be causing the problem? I got this brownish powder with the tumbler called "old miser". It is supposed to aid in helping the grit stick more to the rocks. Geeesh .... has anyone else ever had this much trouble with their vibe? I am beginning think I am being picked on by the tumbler gods. As always ...
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Post by Bikerrandy on Jul 14, 2009 20:44:01 GMT -5
How long have you been tumbling on this stage? It looks like either not enough water, too much grit, or time for a re-charge (fresh grit). If the rocks are still moving too slow and a couple sprays of water doesn't speed them up, then go out into the backyard one more time and do like before. I'm thinking that the slurry is too thick (too much grit)
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Post by NatureNut on Jul 14, 2009 21:12:15 GMT -5
Julie, are you sure there isn't a cemented clump in the bottom on the side that won't turn?
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Post by MyNewHobby on Jul 14, 2009 21:13:55 GMT -5
I just started this batch yesterday .... Probably the best way for you to see what I did, what I did right, and what I did wrong is to give you the details from my batch logs.
This is all the information ....
Monday, July 13, 2009 6:30 PM
Cabs, Cabs, & More Cabs 120/220 5 tablespoons Pellets 9 tablespoons Spritz Old Miser 2 tablespoons
Added citrine & moonstone scraps for cushion (approx.) 3-5 tablespoons Added very small scraps for filler and cushion (approx.) 3-5 tablespoons Added 3/4 cup Rock Shed tumble mix for filler (approx.)
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Post by frane on Jul 14, 2009 21:32:03 GMT -5
Way too much grit Julie. I think I have the same vibe. If I put more than 2 T of 120-220 in a full load, It is almost too much. It is also too dry. A few more squirts. Do what Randy said. Rinse it all off and no more than 2 T on this stage. I have pretty much stopped using it at the 120-220 and just use it for the 500 on. I use 1/2 to 1 teaspoon of the 500, 100 and polish stages. If I am doing the 120-220 stage in it, I time it for when I am home on the weekend. Requires too much attention in that grit for more water adding (about every 3-4 hours). I have had to go so far as putting a grocery bag over the top of the vibe and tying it tight right under the lip of the bowl, below the lid. Seems to help hold in the moisture for a few hours longer. Just make sure the bag is rolled up well enough and tied tight enough so it can't slip down to the base. The bad part about using a bag is that you have to cut it off each time you add water. It's all about trial and error. You will get it! Just think, using less grit saves you money and will work out better. Fran
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