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Post by drocknut on Sept 21, 2009 17:53:23 GMT -5
I couldn't find much on this so thought I'd start a new thread, so my apologies if this is covered elsewhere.
I finally got my vibe tumbler running and the AO grit with ceramic pellets thanks to The Rockshed. The load is mixed with slab pieces, flat rocks, and rounded rocks. So far it has been about 24 hours in the polish (total time- I've had to stop and start the tumbler because I don't want it running if I'm not home to check it). I noticed the round rocks seem to be polishing nicely but the slabs seem to not be taking a polish. When I take one out to check they look like they are polished in some areas but have what looks like very small pits (hard to describe). Looks like it's just a little rough in the light. Is it just that they need longer to polish or is this how slabs look after being polished in a vibe tumbler? Also wanted to know if you use the same bowl for burnish as for polish? I know you're not supposed to use the same bowl for rough grit as for polish. Thanks
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Post by deb193redux on Sept 21, 2009 18:18:23 GMT -5
small slabs (relative to bowl size) will polish. If youhave pits it could be the material itself, or the prior prep.
How were the slabs and rocks treated before polish in the vibe?
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Post by tkrueger3 on Sept 21, 2009 18:34:12 GMT -5
I don't know what others have, but I have a "Berry's Blue" vibe - with a big blue bowl - about a gallon and a half capacity, roughly. I have 2 bowls - one I use for the coarser grits - from 120/220 up through 600, and the other for the pre-polish and polish stages. I burnish for 2-3 hours with Borax between grits, and I do use the same bowl for the burnish as was being used for that particular stage.
I think you'll find that you will have to be cognizant of what kind of stones you are putting into a load in the vibe - you want everything in a load to be around the same relative hardness - ie, don't mix quartz and agate with something like flourite or a softer stone - the softer stones will disappear, having been ripped to shreds by the hard stones. I don't know what stones you have in this load, but that might be the cause of the non-shiny bits.
Tom
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Post by Bikerrandy on Sept 21, 2009 20:32:37 GMT -5
Slabs will polish, it just takes longer. You're probably noticing that the edges of the slab are getting shiney but the face still looks dull. It usually takes me a minimum of 5 days in the polish stage to get the slabs to polish. The longer you run them in polish, the better the shine will be. I've vibed slabs for up to seven days, they come out looking like glass!
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Post by johnjsgems on Sept 22, 2009 9:20:46 GMT -5
What Randy said. The problem with flat surfaces is the difficulty of getting contact between the stones. A lot of rounded stones in mix helps as would up to 50% ceramic media. There have been many posts on this subject but I'm not sure how easy they are to find.
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Post by Toad on Sept 22, 2009 9:25:37 GMT -5
Snowdog is another good resource on slab polishing.
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Post by drocknut on Sept 22, 2009 13:53:17 GMT -5
Thank you all for the replies. The rocks and slab pieces were already in the tumbler when I got it. My friend gave the tumbler to me. He didn't know what stage the rocks were in or how long they had been in there or how they were treated before polishing. I washed them off and they seemed to be partially polished so I started them on pre-polish grit (500). Did that for two days then washed them and put them in a different bowl with AO and ceramic pellets. The slabs are small, most under 2" across and are combined with small round rocks. All are the same basic hardness, ie..quartz - jasper, petrified wood, agate. This guy knew what he was doing but stopped doing it because he didn't have the time about 10 years ago so couldn't remember what exactly he did. He gave me some of his polished stones and slices and they are nicely polished. It does look like the edges of the flat stones are polishing now that I look closer so maybe it is that they just need more time. Would it hurt to leave the round rocks in the tumbler even if they are already polished? Do I perhaps need to refresh the AO? Thanks again
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rockdewd
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Post by rockdewd on Sept 22, 2009 14:42:59 GMT -5
You can't really over polish. I let my stones, slabs, and cabs in the vibe for at least 5 days with AO but I have run them for two+ weeks too. I noticed that after a week the AO takes on a brownish shade. That could indicate that it is spent and needs recharged. But the results are always good as long as they have been polished at least 5 days...
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Post by drocknut on Sept 23, 2009 21:41:19 GMT -5
Thanks rockdewd that eases my mind. I'll just leave them in for a bit longer and see what happens.
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WarrenA
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Post by WarrenA on Sept 24, 2009 1:23:04 GMT -5
be sure to let us know the results
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Post by drocknut on Sept 27, 2009 20:43:17 GMT -5
Will do Warren. If I was home more often I would be able to find out the results sooner rather than later but I run it when I can. Hopefully I'll have the load finished before the snow flies or it gets too cold to keep the tumbler outside.
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drjo
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Post by drjo on Sept 28, 2009 10:50:35 GMT -5
Will do Warren. If I was home more often I would be able to find out the results sooner rather than later but I run it when I can. Hopefully I'll have the load finished before the snow flies or it gets too cold to keep the tumbler outside. Yeah, I got the same problem here, 'cept it's finding a cool enough place to run ;D. Keep up the good work! Dr Joe .
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agatemaggot
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Post by agatemaggot on Sept 29, 2009 10:37:54 GMT -5
Running a couple of cups of tempered glass shards with a load sometimes helps as the little pieces make for more contact surfaces with the stone. The little pieces break down to little nothings but do seem to help speed things up somewhat ! Makes for a REALLY cheap filler as the glass stores will almost pay you to haul it away. To break an old tempered window safely, lay it on a tarp and just tap straight in on one of the corners and it will pop without glass going everywhere. Then grab the corners of the tarp and dump all the little treasures into a bucket without a lot of mess.
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rockhead2u
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Post by rockhead2u on Oct 1, 2009 1:22:43 GMT -5
What I have found out is that using a good quantity of very small pieces of the same type of rock works best when polishing slabs.
If about 1/5 of the load is from bean size to BB size, these get in between the slabs and carry not only the grit but the pre polish and the polish.
The slabs will come out with a shine all over.
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ksk
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Post by ksk on Oct 1, 2009 17:35:11 GMT -5
I have had good results using 20% slabs, 40% small ceramic filler, 40% large ceramic filler (by weight)
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