bpaul
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Post by bpaul on Jan 14, 2010 0:11:27 GMT -5
I'm trying to get a handle on which polish to use in the final stage. Can anyone fill me in about which ones are best to use and why? I've seen people recommending Aluminum Oxide and Cerium Oxide quite a bit. Is either better. I assume each has it's advantages. I just don't really know what they are. Is there something that is better than both AO and CO?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by johnjsgems on Jan 14, 2010 0:33:37 GMT -5
Aluminum comes in many grades. Most "tumbling polish" will be in the 3-4 micron range and will polish in a rotary or a buff pretty much anything cerium will. Finer aluminum oxide (submicron) will polish a wider range of rocks, works better (generally) in a vibe tumbler, and will equal tin oxide in most cases. Whenever ordering aluminum insist on the micron rating. Aluminum comes in 600, 800, 1200, etc. all the way to .2 micron. The better submicrons will be .5 and finer. Price goes up as particle size goes down, generally.
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Post by 150FromFundy on Jan 14, 2010 12:12:02 GMT -5
Aluminium Oxide is generally the most affordable of the polishes. I use AO 1000F for the pre-polish stage, and AO polish. The AO poish does not list the micros size, but it is finer than the 1000F pre-polish.
Darryl.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 14, 2010 13:11:48 GMT -5
I've used a lot of high grade cerium oxide and even the real expensive optical grades of both cerium and tin oxide. I do mostly quartz materials and none of these has ever produced a shine any better than the grade of AO the Rockshed sells as a polish for a really reasonable price....Mel
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Post by bpaul on Jan 15, 2010 0:28:24 GMT -5
I appreciate the advice. So what is the supposed upside of Cerium Oxide then? Is it "supposed" to provide a better shine? Are Cerium and Tin Oxides finer than AO typically?
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 15, 2010 9:22:31 GMT -5
bpaul: You know, I've never really seen the particle size on the tin or cerium oxide. My assumption would be that they are somewhat finer than the AO because, generally, I've found them to polish faster and the tin and cerium often do a better job with softer materials. I always use optical grade cerium or tin on things like travertine or other calcite hardness stuff with great results. Other than those two things, I can think of no other advantage because even though I'm pretty sure the Rockshed AO runs between .5 and 1 micron or so, I run it a longer time for polish so it would break down to smaller size anyway and it does an awesome job on quartz gem tumbles. Cerium oxide comes in several grades all of which are much more expensive that AO. Both the CO and the TO are four or five times the cost of the AO with the optical grade being even somewhat higher which makes them very pricey for tumbling....Mel
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 15:00:59 GMT -5
Greetings Ladies & Gents, standard grade Cerium-Oxide, Chromium-Oxide & Tin-Oxide polish grains are about 1.5 microns in size, Super/White Cerium-Oxide & 99.99% Tin-Oxide are sub micron grains probally the same as Linde A (Aluminum-Oxide) 0.3 microns or Linde B 0.5 microns (Linde = facet grade). Lortone's Aluminum-Oxide; Pre polish = 5.0 micron grains, their main polish = 1.0 micron grains, Rockshed probally buys Lortone's polish in bulk & repackages it or it is pre-packed for them without the Lortone branding. (But i may be wrong!) CovingtonĀ® Engineering CorporationSee More Information near end of page Buff and Polish Chart = What polishes to use on what stones. Table of Mohs' Hardness -- I hail from (The Barony of Seabegs) Bonnybridge, Stirlingshire, U.K, where aliens sometimes come for a visit & about 4 miles west from this monstrosity! Sticky's: Vendors worldwide, How to identify rocks & minerals!, FAQS: Add Tags:Save money on expensive grits & polishes!
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Post by krazydiamond on Jan 15, 2010 17:16:01 GMT -5
i've never been able to get much of a shine with cerium oxide, perhaps i wasn't using the right kind? anyway, i've tried all the expensive ones (tin oxide, etc.) and finally settled on a fairly inexpensive (compared to others) polish called CPP, available at Alpha Supply company. Unfortunatley, their websitte has been down for some time now. you can also get it at Mama's Minerals: www.mamasminerals.com/page/MM/PROD/EQT-CPPPOit is Aluminum Oxide, btw, it works for me. KD
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Post by Jack ( Yorkshire) on Jan 19, 2010 4:42:29 GMT -5
I Use Co and get good results
Different stones respond to different polishes
Someone once posted a list of rocks and the prefered polish
Jack Yorkshire UK
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Post by connrock on Jan 19, 2010 6:48:45 GMT -5
Mel,,,,
Are you sure the polish is breaking down?
connrock
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Post by bpaul on Jan 22, 2010 23:01:54 GMT -5
Would there be any sense in running in AO and then CO or vice versa?
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Post by Brad on Jan 23, 2010 0:28:28 GMT -5
For nice hard agates, jaspers, etc., try polishing with Ivory soap. For a 6# rotary tumbler, put rocks, water, and a half-bar of Ivory in the tumbler & run for two weeks.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 23, 2010 10:40:17 GMT -5
Connrock; Nope, I'm not sure it actually is breaking down. I'm just assuming that eventually, bumping and rubbing against all those rocks would reduce polish particle size some as it does with grits but I may be totally wrong as I really never reuse polish and have no way of measuring size reduction. I did use to run AO polishes dry in my old vibe and noticed that,with time, the polish in the tub seemed to work a little better and I thought maybe that was a function of particle size reduction but maybe not *S*....Mel
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Post by bendsum on Jan 23, 2010 15:10:14 GMT -5
im doin a lil experiment as we speak i ran some tears in cerium oxide for a week or so poured it to a diff container and reduced it to a thick slury it then added it and a a little fresh polish to the load of obsidian that i started today so will see how it works and will have pics when done
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