raider30
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Post by raider30 on Jan 20, 2010 22:05:32 GMT -5
Greetings all, I am wondering, would the rocks below be suitable for a vibe tumbler? I mean when you buy something like this is it broken down enough to use? If not, and I do not have a rotary tumbler, where does one get rocks which are ready for a vibe tumbler? therockshed.com/crushedrock.html - look at the medium mixed rock. Thanks for the help. - Beau aka Raider30
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Post by johnjsgems on Jan 20, 2010 22:45:54 GMT -5
Those will "work" in a vibe but you may not be happy with the results. Vibes don't alter exteriors much so any defects will end up as polished defects. If you sort out only the best of it you will end up maintaining original shapes for the most part. If you could locate water worn (river or beach rocks) rock you could end up with nice rounded pebbles.
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Post by Jack ( Yorkshire) on Jan 21, 2010 3:22:55 GMT -5
That is the same batch that I have used
I got the mixed batch, Rockshed sell a "matching hardness" mixed batch so you wont have any problem with softer stones not polishing
Jack Yorkshire uk
PS Modified 22/01/10
I ran this batch in the rotary for stage One 90 Grit
Sorry I hope I didnt mislead anyone ?
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raider30
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Post by raider30 on Jan 21, 2010 7:40:37 GMT -5
That is the same batch that I have used I got the mixed batch, Rockshed sell a "matching hardness" mixed batch so you wont have any problem with softer stones not polishing Jack Yorkshire uk Just so I'm clear, you used that batch in a vibe tumbler? If so what grit did you start with and how often did you have to recharge it? Also, you brought up another question for me - there is a great mix of stones in the bag, am I able to tumble them all together or do I have to try to separate them out?(I mean when rockshed sells a bag can you just basically dump it straight to a bowl or is there some other work involved?) I'm ok with less rounded stones. I really do prefer more of a natural look, but obviously I'd like the surfaces to be able to take a good shine when I'm done with them. Oh, another question just popped up - when you guys 'recharge' a stage do you take the rocks out and wash them first or do you just dump in another scoop of grit right to the running mix? Thanks again for the help folks - you guys(and gals!) are an awesome resource. - Beau
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Post by NatureNut on Jan 21, 2010 9:53:20 GMT -5
Hi Beau, You'll have to empty the bowl and rinse them between recharges. The slurry tends to thicken as the surface becomes smooth, which will hinder the action needed for the process. I usually run a little liquid soap (with lots of squirts of water) for a little while (for about an hour) in the load before I take the bowl off to rinse. Helps the grit to come loose. Some even take a toothbrush to each rock to get the grit out of the cracks as they rinse. Until your rocks are smooth, that'll be your biggest enemy... getting all the grit out. I'm not terribly worried about getting every speck of grit until it's time to move until the next stage. That's when you will want to burnish (and toothbrush) to keep any grit from contaminating the next stage. The bowl and lid should be scrubbed and everything should be totally clean before moving on (surgically clean is a good description). You can get away with just adding grit to an existing load with a rotary, but rarely with a vibe. The rounder and smoother the surface of your stone, the less chance for grit to become trapped, and subsequently carried to the next stage and contaminating it. 120/220 is always the harshest (starting) grit for a vibe. 60/90 is too rough for it and is only for rotaries. I haven't used Rockshed rocks so I'll let others give their input from their experience. There can be problems if there are rocks of different hardness. Hope this helps. Good luck. You're asking the right questions. Jo
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Post by deb193redux on Jan 21, 2010 10:50:11 GMT -5
the rockshed rocks can be tumbled together. the hardness is matched close enough. Some, like the soadlite will round quicker. You can pull them out early if they start getting too small. Sometime the terr agate has pits that are problematic, but when you get some good pieces nothing is prettier. some of the quartz and adventerine will have internal cracks or crazing that no amount of grinding will eliminate because they are through and through. But, some of the rose quartz and advanterine may yield cleaner finished pieces.
But consider size. the medium are 3/4 to 1.5 inches. You will need a lot of ceramic pellets to make up the small end of the load, and you may need to hold out some of the 1.5in if you get too many.
I would also get some small and mix it with the medium.
A few pieces with long pointy bits or possibly a deep crevasse will not do so well. But most will do just fine. You can break them up before you begin, or wait and pull them out when their progress lags behind.
If you want each rock to become a very perfect rounded egg, this will require many many weeks in a rotary. ... AND sacrifice of about 60% of the rock volume.
However, with just a few extra 120/220 charges in the vibe, you can get considerable perfection of the surface, albeit not quite as egg shaped. If you have 220 exact grade, this is not strong enough to shape up fresh rocks in a reasonable time. A 120/220 grade is cheaper and stronger. Many vibe users are starting with pieces of broken slabs, or even cut preforms, so they do not want a lot of gross shape change. These tumbled stones tend to have more uses than tumbled nuggets.
When you break rock with a hammer and chisel, you get many splintery pieces where length, width, and height are very discrepant. This geometry will do less well in a vibe because it needs so much shaping. But the rockshed has quality crushed rock, and it has been screened. You get more uniform sizes and more congruency of length, witdth, and height. This kind of quality crused rock will generally require less shaping. For this reason alone, I strongly endorsed your original plan to get some rockshed rock. It is just good stuff.
So if you are OK with smooth edges, some polyhedral (as opposed to spherical) shapes, just run a few extra 120/220 charges until you are happy. Maybe instead of the usual 2-4 recharges, do 6-9 recharges before moving on to a finer grit (typically 500).
I think I have some pics of Apache tears done completely in a vibe. If I find them I will post what they looked like at each stage.
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Post by deb193redux on Jan 21, 2010 11:36:11 GMT -5
OK here are some pics: The Apache tears were done completely in the vibe, and there is considerable rounding. Obsidian is softer so rounded quickly in the vibe. With more recharges even harder stones would get more rounded. This is a batch that has been through about 3 120/220 recharges in one of my vibes. It is a mix of rockshed medium crush and some picture jasper and slag that I had. I was trying to pre-grind some stuff for my sister's kids so that they would only have to do a week or two in their rotary before moving on to fine. (I knew they would want to move on to fine, if not polish, after just one week.) You can see some of the common stones in the rockshed mix (e.g., Dalmatian, Rose Quartz ...). You can see that while all the sharp edges are gone, the stones are not all perfect eggs. Some are more rounded than others. I would have likely pulled out the most rounded ones and run the rest for several more 120/220 charges. Considerably more smoothing of the surfaces/shapes would have occurred - just not all egg/sphere shaped. Then I would have gone on to 500g.
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Post by Jack ( Yorkshire) on Jan 22, 2010 5:39:18 GMT -5
Hi Beau, Sorry i gave you the wrong impression I rotary Tumbled the batch I got from the rock shed till they were smooth then Vibed them from stage 2 (220 grit ) a lot of people do it that way in DEB193REDUX post above , If you do a mixed batch like DEB193REDUX above in a ROTARY you will get problems with the Obsidian , Amythyst, Rose Quartz fracturing using a Rotary I have had that experiance. As it is the finish on the Obsidian isent 100% note the scratches on the rocks at the RH side Obsidian is difficult to polish to a high gloss finish Heres a link to some Maghony Obsidian and black Obsidian I did in a Lot"O" with Conrocks Vibe recepie. img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/john-edward/VibeHGlossApril08Outside016.jpgJack Yorkshire uk
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