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Post by sandsman1 on Mar 25, 2010 2:31:59 GMT -5
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free4rms
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Post by free4rms on Mar 25, 2010 7:19:18 GMT -5
I followed your link to see what it said about health care for illegals... there is nothing whatsoever in that article about health care for illegals. Furthermore, Obama never said that health care would be free under the new overhaul. He also never said taxes would not go up for anyone. And of course there is nothing to stop restaurants from going up on their prices to cover the insurance....except competition. If enough people go somewhere else to eat, I'll bet the prices will come back down some.
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Post by stefan on Mar 25, 2010 7:21:02 GMT -5
Never in history has someone so UNQUALIFIED said SO MUCH about NOTHING and been able to LIE to the people, and have ZERO accountability! Plus there are STILL questions about his TRUE LEGAL BIRTHPLACE-- I mean come on- if it wern't an issue- why hide it- oh and don't get me started about the man from Columbia Univeristy that NO ONE REMEMBERS!!!!!Oh well only 3 more years.
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Post by Sabre52 on Mar 25, 2010 9:38:37 GMT -5
*L* It's not gonna be free healthcare for illegals. It's gonna be healthcare for illegals and slackers paid for by the working folks of America through a broad spectrum of fees and taxes the Obamanation said we'd not be having to pay if we make under 250K. Then to top it off, his next big idea is to have Dodd and Frank, the two jerkoffs responsible for the Fannie Mae Freddie Mac lies and coverups be in charge of legislation to govern financial institutions. Those two are not competent enough to clean grease traps in a Mc Donalds without screwing up. Gee it's great to be governed by IMHO a bunch of low functioning morons that are too stupid to realize they don't know what they're doing!!!*S*.....Mel
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Post by texaswoodie on Mar 25, 2010 10:26:38 GMT -5
When people find out exactly what all is in this bill, they are going to be shocked beyond belief. Of course by then it's too late. It is the middle class that's going to be the ones paying for all this. The poorer you are the better off you will be. Todd, I hate to say this but not only will Illegals recieve the health care, but they will be exempt from having to pay for it. Remember what I've said and see if it isn't true. At first I thought Obama was just stupid and inexperienced. That's not the case. All of this is very well thought out. Every step is by design. The health bill is NOT about health folks. It is giving unprecedented power to the Fed gov. The IRS of all people are going to be in charge of YOUR health care. Remember a few months back the IRS ordered (I've forgotten exactly) a couple of thousand guns? Why would the IRS need guns? Now you know. Curt OK, I knew I was wrong. It's 60 Remington shotguns. Makes ya feel good while filling out your tax return, huh? www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=8d3b076bd4de14bbda5aba699e80621d&tab=core&_cview=1&cck=1&au&ck
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Post by sandsman1 on Mar 25, 2010 14:12:24 GMT -5
well who do you think works in the kitchens and bus boys and dish washers are mostly illegals so when you pay the tax your paying for there medical also, since most have stolen ss numbers some may get cought but im sure most will get it obummer will make sure they do for there vote
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Post by free4rms on Mar 25, 2010 18:34:05 GMT -5
Ok, let's talk about illegal aliens. If the illegal aliens have bogus citizenship papers of any form, then they are already getting free medical care. Either medicaid or just going to the emergency room when they need anything. Now that the health care bill has passed/will pass, how is that going to change anything?. The bill specifically denies illegal aliens the right to buy insurance, so they will resort to whatever means they use now to get care. No loss, no gain. This situation will not get any worse under the overhaul than it is now. So, that is a moot point. As far as pandering to the hispanic vote, I think it will be a toss up between both the Republicans and Democrats as to who gives the most to get the vote. They both know that the hispanic vote is going to be increasingly important in the next few years to come. Now let's talk about these supposed slackards who are going to be the new beneficiaries of the heath care bill. Who are these slackers, how many of them are there, and how do you identify them? Can anyone give a clear cut definition of who these people are? Are they the ones who are not working for a huge corporation and yet making $48,000 a year and cannot afford to pay one fourth of their income for an individual insurance policy? A policy that could be cancelled right in the middle of a life-saving treatment because the insurance company "discovered" they had acne as a teenager and somehow that is related to their skin cancer today? Or a policy that had a ridiculous cap that stopped just in time to guarantee that the policy holder will die without the rest of the care they need? How about the thousands and thousands of people who lost their jobs and homes (and I don't mean the ones with the ridiculous homeowner loans they took out) because of the collapse of the economy? Are these people now deadbeat slackers who can't afford an individual or family policy because the cheap ones are all taken by the corporate employees who get all the sweetheart deals? Or are we talking about the real deadbeats who are too lazy to work and expect a free handout? I could go on and on and list plenty more people who can't afford health care but are still hard working people, but if this last category (the lazy people) is the one that really defines a slacker, then I have news for you. They can't be the deadbeat slackers who are going to benefit from the new insurance policies either, since they already have one. It's called Medicaid. I do have to agree that this whole battle is not about Health Care. It is obviously about the Republicans putting all their eggs in one basket and deciding to oppose the health care overhaul for the solitary reason that they want to derail Obama's main campaign promise. They don't care how many people die because of unaffordable insurance, the only thing that counts is getting the presidency back. As DeMint from S.C. said, "this bill will be Obama's Waterloo." I am reading mostly hopeful wishing/doom and gloom predictions about what will become of Obama and his administration, but my prediction is that more and more people (especially the ones who have been suckered into believing the Republican's scare tactics and the tactics mimicked by their minions in the tea bag party) will see that the health bill is not the horrible monster they were mislead to believe. Once they really see what is in it, they will begin to realize that the gloom and doom was all a ruse. Hopefully they will see the reason behind the resistance and react accordingly. In the November elections, the Dems will lose some seats, just as history predicts they will. The ruling party always loses seats at the first mid-term election. And because of the lies and distortions spewed by some of those opposing the bill, many will vote against the dems because they don't see what is really going on. It will take time to recover, but as the economy continues to improve, they will eventually regain some of those seats. That is my prediction, time will tell if I am wrong.
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Post by Sabre52 on Mar 25, 2010 19:32:34 GMT -5
OK, I'll define slackers. Slackers come in many categories and are basically those , and there are many, that game the system and parasitize folks that play fair. Most these folks use the emergency room as their primary care and get a free ride on the backs of those that pay for services. Lots of illegals are in the category as are lots of young workers that prefer to use their extra money for partying and nice cars rather than doing the responsible thing. There are also those who take pay under the table or purposely work jobs where the hours are short enough that plan participation is not required so they have a larger take home check. There are also a large number of folks that, though fit enough to work, simply prefer not to. Why should working folks give a rats ass about folks who choose to game the system and why should we pay their way? I saw an interview with a doctor the other night and he said the Obama care program will cost us all way more than the free rider ER uses ever would. So the politicos are actually taking a bad system and making it more expensive still.
Now I know you libs will say, "But the new bill makes these folks buy insurance or pay a fine. Well, my insurance fees per month are way more than the fine ever would be so what's to keep these same folks gaming the system from just paying the fine, pocketing the extra and then enrolling when they actually get a problem that requires more than ER treatment. I also have doubts about the IRS's ability to monitor and enforce this stuff seeing as how government yahoos like the guy in charge of the IRS seemed to get by the IRS and not pay his taxes.
All in all, this whole program amounts to just sticking millions more folks into things like medicaid and is simply another commie redistribution of wealth ponsi scheme. Also, it's been pretty well proven that the Dems used funny math when calculating costs, savings etc so you can bet this system will go into the red just like every other program the feds create. I'm not an expert but I can't think of a single program the government hasn't managed to mess up because let's face it, they're a bunch of rich elitists who don't live in the real world with the rest of us and are basically a bunch of world class f**kups.
I guess what it all boils down too is I figure, if we can't afford the entitlements we have now, how can we afford more? If the government can't make any of the current programs work, how can we expect them to do anything right with this one? Jeez would you go to a race track and bet on the horse that has a mentally impaired jockey, runs the wrong direction on the track and has lost every friggin race it's ever run?...Mel
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Post by grayfingers on Mar 25, 2010 20:24:58 GMT -5
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Post by jerryde on Mar 25, 2010 21:38:28 GMT -5
What I found interesting...why is student loans for college in a health bill...? Well, they just took out over 900 million dollars from Medicare to pay for the front cost of this bill...how will they cover this...on the backs of your students...
Now the only way to get a low cost student loan, if you can...because banks or other loan institutions will be restricted to loan for school...therefore forcing students to go to the govmt.
The govmt. pays now 2.2% for the money to loan...but will charge around 6.4%...making over 4% on every dollar...they estimate they will cover the 900 million by the year 2018.
If a student defaults...then they will have the full weight of the IRS to collect...16,000 new agents...So your kids from will be paying a never ending bill for health care...oh,
If you don't carry their health insurance...(because they will dictate the plans offered by the ins. companies) you will be fined and yes the IRS will find you... Don't you just love Obama Care...
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Post by pebblepup on Mar 26, 2010 10:30:08 GMT -5
There has always been free health care for illegals; it's called the emergency room. I read somewhere that many hospitals don't bother going after payments from anybody with a Hispanic name, legal or not they just send the bills to their states. This won't change regardless of what system is or isn't put in place.
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