carloscinco
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Post by carloscinco on Jun 6, 2010 12:22:00 GMT -5
I have a 1967 edition of Gem Trails of Texas that lists Zapata as a good place for pet wood and agates. I'm going down there in two weeks for a couple of days of hounding. I've never been there and the sites in the book may no longer be there. Has anyone been there lately and can share info on where a good place to go might be? The web site for Zapata notes that there is good rock hounding in the area but lists no other info. I'm going to email or call a few motels and see if they can give me a heads up on some sites. Thanks, Carlos
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Post by johnjsgems on Jun 6, 2010 13:44:54 GMT -5
Good luck. As you know there isn't much public collecting land in Texas. I suppose any ground under a road bridge or road cuts would be fair game. Maybe check if they have a visitor center or chamber of commerce. They usually have lots of local info. and may know of fee collecting ranches or rock guides i the area. Where is Zapata?
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Post by carloscinco on Jun 6, 2010 14:27:03 GMT -5
Zapata is located next to Falcon Lake, which is a dammed up part of the Rio Grande. It's about 50 miles south of Laredo. The Gem Trails book mentions palm wood and agate. Another snippet I read talks about the agate and other material washed down by the Rio Grande over the centuries. I'm going to do a little more research but what the heck it's about a 2.5 hour drive for me. "Nothing ventured.." and all that.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 6, 2010 14:49:03 GMT -5
Matt Dillon hunts that area all the time from one of the fishing camps outside Zapata ( south towards Bob's Nob I think). From what he says, any of the exposed lake gravels yield good finds He also said that the gravels in alluvial deposits way above the lake were deposited during the period when lots of agate was in the mix and those also can be very good hunting. You should check out his flickr site dardilrocks. It contains a ton of good info and pictures from the area....Mel
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Post by carloscinco on Jun 6, 2010 16:56:35 GMT -5
Thanks Mel. Those are some nice photos and great info on dardilrocks Flickr site. Those are some sweet agates he's posted. I also picked up Melinda Crow's Rockhound guide to TX and that lists a couple of sites in that area. That old Gem Trails book also mentions Bob's Nob. My wife reminded me to pack the snake boots.
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Post by johnjsgems on Jun 7, 2010 8:10:47 GMT -5
Our snakes here don't wear boots.
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Post by riverbendlapidary on Jun 7, 2010 17:10:38 GMT -5
It will be HOT down there with plenty of snakes. Have fun and be careful!
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Post by Digforcrystals on Jun 7, 2010 18:53:10 GMT -5
Matt Dillon’s photos on Flickr are awe inspiring. And road-trip inspiring as well. I too have on old gem trails of Texas book and seeing matt’s “mines road” pictures as well as the Zapata agate pictures convinced me to take a trip. For me in Atlanta, that is about 1,400 miles one way. The Laredo “mines road” location (see matt’s flicker text for enough clues to find it) yielded a few pieces that may or may not cut to yield nice patterns. So if you are out that way, give it a visit, especially the gravel pits around the intersection of the toll road with mines road just North of Laredo. But, don’t drive 1,400 miles one way just to visit this area! I next headed south on the hwy headed to Zapata. Lot’s of gravel operation gated up with no one around. I finally found one “rocking”, as they separated the sand from the rocks and then in an automated process, sorted the sizes. Nothing but Mexican’s and I found one that spoke English as well as I speak Spanish, and he said “Si” to me looking around. I felt a little uneasy about the understanding, so after a quick walk-around on the large washed gravel pile, I grabbed a few pieces of gold moss and hit the highway. This was in September of last year and I think it was 99 degrees with an eerily howling hot wind. No snakes though. Around dusk I hit Zapata and check into the super 8. Nice clean hotel but the area, well actually the whole town, is kinda sketchy. Ambulance and police sirens screamed by every 45 minutes the whole night. I hit Bob’s Nob the next day and it was another cooker of a day. I’m heat tolerant and used to heat and humidity and I have to say that this area is about as hot as the deserts of Namibia. And that – IS HOT! Here too the wind was a hot one and howled in a very eerie fashion. I followed the books directions to the old bob’s knob location. Guess what? This area is now a gravel pit!!!!! At my visit there were no posted signs and no gate. And the biggest pile of washed gravel I have ever seen. I spent a couple of hours walking over this 30 foot high pile that extended for 100 foot in every direction. I got one piece of very green agate (foot ball sized) and a couple of gold moss agates. But I didn’t see anything that looked like any type of banding or anything of interest. I went within site of matt’s favorite fish camp but didn’t go down the hill to bother them. At the top of the hill is a big area of unfenced brush and cacti. I did pick up a dozen walnut sized agates that had crazy lace type banding. I have a friend that has a lot of land in Tilden, Texas, so I departed this area head there for some petrified wood. By the time I got to Tilden I was in a pretty rotten mood, because I took a long trip for pretty much nothing. Even in early fall it was hella hot! Doeblers pit is near Tilden and I couldn’t work it out with Matt for a visit. I didn’t want to step on his toes by trying to get permission myself, so I was unable to visit that location. I did ride down the dirt road and saw the locked gate to the pit so I just kept rollin’.
In my opinion--- and I am no expert on that area--- there are a lot better places to visit. You’d be a lot better off in Alpine, Texas with Teri Smith as a guide.
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Post by johnjsgems on Jun 8, 2010 8:52:20 GMT -5
Or some of Trey Woodward's off the ranch trips. I recently talked to a guy that went out with him to some great areas off the ranch. We had a great time at Stillwell Ranch last year also with the Abilene club. Lots of wood and moss similar to Woodward but 50 cents per lb.
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Post by carloscinco on Jun 8, 2010 19:52:16 GMT -5
I was curious about what I might find in Zapata but when I saw Matt Dillon's finds I was hooked. It's a short trip for me and I'm used to watching out for dehydration and overheating so I'll be careful. To top it off an engineer at work offered me the run of his ranch which is ON the Rio Bravo less than 10 miles out of town. I speak Spanish so that won't be a problem, I just don't want to meet anyone in the brush with bad intentions. Thanks Digforcrystals for the reconnaissance on Bob's Nob and the area.
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Post by snuffy on Jun 8, 2010 20:31:53 GMT -5
Carlos,I have a feeling that there is a post coming from you in the artifact section,that ranch has arrowheads written on it. Good luck,have fun,be careful.
snuffy
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 9, 2010 7:55:26 GMT -5
Wow! great trip report DFC. I've been thinking of a trip out that way myself but it'll be a winter trip if I go. I don't mind heat much but no sense being more uncomfortable than necessary. I had wondered about Bob's Nob too but had heard from someone else that they went there and couldn't find the place. Anyway, it was good to hear a modern update and Carlos, can't wait to hear your report too.....Mel
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