Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 18, 2010 20:00:35 GMT -5
Hey Rich, Tell me about some more evil capitalist companies you hate and despise. I need some more good investments so I can upgrade my new jeep to a Rubicon *L*....Mel
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Post by parfive on Oct 18, 2010 21:07:50 GMT -5
Monsanto big time, Mel. Stock's cheap right now. ;D
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 18, 2010 22:33:38 GMT -5
*L* I'll have to double check but I think I already have some. But what the heck, on your advice, I just might pick up some more cause I know you can pick'um. Thanks Rich!....Mel
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Post by parfive on Oct 18, 2010 23:07:23 GMT -5
As recently as late December, Monsanto was named “company of the year” by Forbes magazine. Last week, the company earned a different accolade from Jim Cramer, the television stock market commentator. “This may be the worst stock of 2010,” he proclaimed.
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Post by llana2go on Oct 19, 2010 0:13:23 GMT -5
Don't know much about Monsanto stock, but do know the company has done some pretty nasty stuff. Major producer of genetically modified seeds & bovine growth hormone which is associated with breast, lung, prostate and colon cancer; dumped toxic waste in the UK; Monsanto factory in Anniston, Alabama knowingly discharged mercury and PCBs into local creeks for 40 years, one that supplied drinking water for much of the area; buried millions of pounds of PCBs in open pit landfills above the plant and neighborhoods. That's just a short list of some of Monsanto's misdeeds.
I'd rather be dirt poor that make money off the stock of a company that does despicable things that harm people and the environment.
Can't stand Cramer and don't know if Monsanto is the worst stock of the year, but is sure as heck is one of the worst companies.
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Post by parfive on Oct 19, 2010 0:48:14 GMT -5
Ssshhh! ;D
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free4rms
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Post by free4rms on Oct 19, 2010 6:56:39 GMT -5
This question may end up making this thread the longest in RTH history, but llana2go's comment on Congressional Reps adhering to the Constitution has me puzzled. I have heard r people opposed to this administration say repeatedly that the Constitution is being stomped on, trampled on, etc. and I was wondering where this idea comes from? Is this actually happening, or is this just a catch phrase to rouse the masses? Is it based on fact or just an opinion?
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 19, 2010 9:42:12 GMT -5
Vance: Obama and his gang have insisted that the constitution is a living document that lacks relevancy, reflects deep flaws in America, is a list of negative liberties and Obama has bemoaned the fact that is does not include provisions for economic fairness including " redistribution of wealth". In addition his administration has done many things which are of questionable constitutionality ( health care mandate provision, unequal enforcement situations wherein he targets specific groups ( Bill of Attanider type situations) Crooked Union deals etc etc. It gives the impression that his constitutional law background consists of studying how he can best subvert the constitution and bend it to his socialist ideology rather than support it.....Mel
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zmd2008
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Post by zmd2008 on Oct 19, 2010 11:38:25 GMT -5
Good grief, you must be one of those people who thinks Obama has raised your income taxes.
"Facts are your friend".....just keep repeating that...
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Post by parfive on Oct 19, 2010 13:31:02 GMT -5
Dem teabaggers sure knows their Konstitooshuns.
Christine O’Donnell . . .
at an election debate . . .
held at a law school ;D . . .
"Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" O'Donnell asked him.
When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?"
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Post by parfive on Oct 19, 2010 13:43:02 GMT -5
After the debate, a campaign spokesman tried to deflect the ridicule.
"Big deal, so she got one wrong. Don't forget, she aced all the stuff on witchcraft and hairy palms."
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Post by llana2go on Oct 19, 2010 15:15:00 GMT -5
Free4rms, it is not just this administration that has violated the Constitution. It has been Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, and so on all the way back to almost as soon as the ink was dry on the Constitution. I could write pages on what Article/Amendment of the Constitution was violated by what Administration and when, but we'll stick to the most recent. Bush and his Patriot Act was unconstitutional. Obama and his health care act is unconstitutional. There are many more anti-constitutional laws that BOTH those administrations have brought us. Parfive, the 1st Amendment says nothing about separation of church and state. It says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. That means that the government cannot establish a state religion as was the case in England. The 1st Amendment was not construed to mean that there was to be a "wall of separation between the state and religion" until in 1947, the Supreme Court, in Everson v. Board of Education,23 disregarded centuries of legal tradition in the common law, the Declaration of Independence, the writings of the founding fathers, the notes and records of the Constitutional Convention and over a century of American constitutional jurisprudence. With the stroke of a pen, the Court created a new "law" by incorporating the Fourteenth Amendment (which dealt exclusively with specific State powers) with the First Amendment's federal provision against an "establishment of religion". www.earlyamerica.com/review/fall98/original.html
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Post by parfive on Oct 19, 2010 16:15:18 GMT -5
Baloney, Llana.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury [CT] Baptist Association, Jan. 1, 1802:
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
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Post by parfive on Oct 19, 2010 16:35:43 GMT -5
A few more founding fathers. I see obvious intent here. YMMV.
James Madison: "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
Ben Franklin: "If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here [England] and in New England."
Tom Paine: "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. "
"Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. "
From the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified [unanimously by all present] by the United States Senate on June 7, 1797 and signed by President John Adams a few days later: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion . . . "
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lapidarycanary1
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Post by lapidarycanary1 on Oct 19, 2010 16:51:47 GMT -5
I cannot believe that any of this jargon was even allowed in this forum!!!!!
Two MAJOR SUBJECTS that NEVER belong in any arena other than that of a place where they are warranted and these are Religion and Party Politics!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
Discussions like these ALWAYS DEVIDE the MASSES! These subjects in any other forum that is not suited ALWAYS create animosity, hatred, division and hurt feelings!
This IS A LAPIDARY FORUM and NOT SUITED for either one of these 2 subjects!!!!!!!!
I would have loved to jump in and get my feet muddied here in this argument but the subject IS SO NOT WANTED HERE that I cannot believe you let the lil red horned thang create it in the first place, but then again was it not that supposed to be “IT’s” role from the beginning of time?
Let’s please let by gone’s be by gone’s, give each other shakes and hugs and get back to the matters that we came here in the first place for; L A P I D A R Y!
Opinions are like the rocks we carve, shape, shine and sell, they’re everywhere {giggles}. Instead of throwing them we all here have taken in another reason for having them in our hands; haven’t we?
I learned a long time ago that taking the reason of destruction out of them, can become something of beauty and ever lasting monuments to artistry and the love of L A P I D A R Y!
Please I implore you all, please let us all agree that we disagree on some points\subjects and agree on others and of course the discussion here is based on LAPIDARY, NOTHING ELSE,,,,,,yes?
Sincerely,
LC1
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Post by snuffy on Oct 19, 2010 17:16:31 GMT -5
Hey lap canary, thats what this is for, life. universe and Everything Else. If you dont want to read stuff like this, dont read it. Apparently you have.Just ignore this. A regular contributor here folks, 4 total posts,telling us we need to change this. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Yall think we oughta?
snuffy
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Post by jakesrocks on Oct 19, 2010 17:21:44 GMT -5
NAH. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D . ---- Hey, somebody has to keep charlie fired up.
Don
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Post by snuffy on Oct 19, 2010 17:24:00 GMT -5
YOU........you are the red horny thang that started this. ;D ;D ;D
snuffy
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Post by jakesrocks on Oct 19, 2010 17:37:43 GMT -5
BWAAAAaaaaaaa HAAAaaaa HAAaaa Ha ! Ain't I evil.
Don
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free4rms
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Post by free4rms on Oct 19, 2010 17:48:04 GMT -5
Thanks for your input, Mel and Llana. I see now that we are talking about opinions, not court settled cases. Not that there is anything wrong with opinions, everyone has them and expresses them. It is just that when reading and hearing some of the speeches by the conservatives, tea baggers, and others, what I hear is that the stomping of the Constitution appears to be stated as a fact. It smacks of rabble rousing to me, but that is my opinion….
<<1947, the Supreme Court, in Everson v. Board of Education,23 disregarded centuries of legal tradition in the common law, the Declaration of Independence, the writings of the founding fathers, the notes and records of the Constitutional Convention and over a century of American constitutional jurisprudence.
None of these establish the law of the land. The Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. And it is clearly a secular document. And in the Everson v. Board of Education case, through the due process clause of the 14th amendment, the Supreme Court ruled that states must abide by the establishment clause of the first amendment.
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