Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Mar 10, 2011 9:35:19 GMT -5
Howdy folks, OK, call this my morning rant.
Living here in Texas you will meet some of the finest, most charitable folks I've ever seen. Heck, there's a church on every street corner and folks are real generous with their giving. In addition, lots of local folks like my wife and I are into charitable giving to wildlife/nature causes and that sort of thing. I think all this is wonderful and is as it should be, Americans using their hard earned dollars helping their own neighbors and fellow Americans and making our country and our environment maybe a little bit better.
And then I turn on the TV and see the other side of American charity, the ones we involuntarily contribute to with the help of our clueless government aholes. Yes, we are the most generous people in the world ( though the folks who dispute this claim disagree because they don't see this involuntary part of the equation). We work hard, pay our taxes to the government and they in turn, fund literally hundreds if not more foreign projects which do not a thing to improve America and are mostly wasted on folks who at best, dislike America and who at worst are flat out our enemies. Heck, we wind up buying fleets of fancy cars for foreign dictators, weapons for their armies which often wind up killing American soldiers down the line, studying the drinking habits of transexual prostitutes in Thailand, refurbishing mosques so they can train Islamic terrorists, and rebuilding the countries of enemies we've fought and beaten who then turn around and want to fight us all over again. The list of foreign bullsh*t projects our politicians are willing to use our taxpayers dollars for never ends.
Well, I say this. The first spending cuts our government makes should be foreign spending cuts. Lets fight wars the real way, devastate those who attack us and leave them back in the friggin stone age to rebuild their infrastructure at their cost for the next hundred years. They ain't gonna be building no friggin nukes if they're busy getting running water and sewage to their homes first. Hell, they didn't like us in the first place and don't when you rebuild them, so why bother? Lets help Americans first. No foreign food or medical aid until every American has plenty of both. No new infrastructure projects for other countries paid for by American taxpayers till our own bridges and highways are fixed. No new schools and hospitals for other countries on our dime till all Americans have good medical care and get good educations. And getting back to the war subject. Lets fight our own wars and no others. Lets stay the hell out of other countries' business unless it's a joint UN effort ( The UN as it is now is a "let American do it" organization). We no longer can afford being the world's police force.
In short. I believe in charity but it should begin at home, be voluntary, and be directed to specific causes for the good of the folks you want it to benefit. It's time the folks who made the money were given control over their charitable contributions and the government stops taking from it's citizens and giving to whatever screwy cause or foreign ruler they are bribed to support. Just picture an America where all of a sudden, all this foreign AID? was instead directed back to our own causes and needs. America would sure look a lot better. And where our government didn't need to borrow money from foreign countries to turn around and then send it right back to other foreign countries. That would sure help the national debt. Anyway, this is what happens when I eat breakfast in front of the TV instead of out on the deck. End of rant. *L*....Mel
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Post by catmandewe on Mar 10, 2011 10:15:17 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by bobby1 on Mar 10, 2011 10:35:20 GMT -5
What sickens me the most is those actors and actress that dash over to African countries and grab "orphans" and drag them back here and parade them around as pets. Also, those who set up photo ops showing them spreading their money around on the children in these countries. Whats wrong with spending their money on American orphans or foster children? Bill Gates should be spreading his wealth abroad on family planning and birth control rather than feeding children so that their parents can feel secure and breed more. There is a serious over population problem in the world but no one in power will talk about it. I hate the pollution and over population (and financial deficit) burden that we are forcing upon our children and grandchildren. What really bothers me is what my grandson will be saying about me in 30 or 40 years when he is living in this ugly mess and asking "Why, grandpa, did you do this to us? ?" Bob
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Post by Gem'n I on Mar 10, 2011 10:47:11 GMT -5
Wow guys...some profound thoughts this morning...whats in that oatmeal??? By the way I totally agree!!
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Post by parfive on Mar 10, 2011 11:02:33 GMT -5
Cheer up, Mel, a good chunk of that foreign aid money never leaves the country – just more corporate welfare, in disguise. Whether it’s weapons and arms sales or engineering and design for your favorite infrastructure projects, your dollars are safe at work back home.
Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, Raytheon, et al, thank you muchly. ;D
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Post by parfive on Mar 10, 2011 11:13:34 GMT -5
“family planning and birth control”
At home or abroad, them’s dirty words these days. In a certain crowd, anyway. ;D
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Post by texaswoodie on Mar 10, 2011 11:58:30 GMT -5
I agree with everything said until we got to Rich. ;D I even agree that family planning is dirty words..... at least the way it's being planned nowadays. Nothing wrong with planning a family. Everything wrong with using abortion as birth control.
But I degress. What little I have left over for charity is given to wounded vets and St. Judes. I gave to Haiti after the earthquake and come to find out after billions have been given to Haiti, it still looks like the earthquake was yesterday. If the people would recieve what was given, I would do it again but no more giving to dictators to line their pockets
Curt
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Mar 10, 2011 13:34:43 GMT -5
Rich! How could you!?! You forgot Halliburton and Kellogg, Brown, & Root!
Chuck
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Post by parfive on Mar 10, 2011 14:17:35 GMT -5
Only two more, Chuck? We should be so lucky. ;D
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Post by sandsman1 on Mar 10, 2011 15:23:54 GMT -5
Mel there should be no money leaving America until our Seniors don't have to worry about making the end of the month with food after they pay for there meds -- and the UN should be thrown out of our country and all ties cut -- they do nothing but sit back and wait for America to solve everyone problems and at the same time they have there hand out for more funds to hand to our enemy's (WHAT BS) -- our army has done all it can over there its time they take there fate in there own hands we cant afford to rebuild or stay and baby sit these people if they want freedom let them fight for it we gave them a great start time to stand and fight for there own family's --- any money givin to illegals is money lost and a waste it goes right to mexico except for some rice and beans iv seen it with my own eyes at the post office -- little boy says my mom wants 3 money orders for 325.00 each because she couldn't speak English-- that's so the transfer of the money stays under the radar if its less then 1000.00 dollars -- I've seen it twice so far -- they suck up every freebie they can and live off that and work under the table and send that money back to the mother land they are no way trying to be Americans they are here to live off the American tax payer and send any money made back home -- that needs to be stopped also -- and all these moochers deported -- and for the millions that make a career of welfare and are Americans they need to have a time limit or cap on how much they can suck from our tax's -- and no im not talking about the disabled im talkin about the lazy baby machines that refuse to work and have 3-4-5- kids and the same amount of fathers -- when there getting ready to be kicked off welfare they just pop out another kid and it starts all over again -- what happened to the American spirit of work hard do well and if need be help your neighbor -- because now it seems like they demand to be taken care of for life because they found a loop hole --- again (WHAT BS)
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Post by jakesrocks on Mar 10, 2011 15:44:37 GMT -5
Amen Sands. I was always taught that charity starts at home. I believe that I'll give my money to me, (what little there is left after uncle takes his cut). We were promised "Change we can believe in". What a joke. They didn't tell us that would be pocket change.
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chassroc
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Post by chassroc on Mar 10, 2011 16:47:04 GMT -5
My biggest problem with charity is having to subsidize someone elses charity with a tax deduction. Jeez...they get the credit but we have to give too
I also believe we (public and private) make a lot of mistakes in trying to help other countries or those less fortunate without thinking through the consequences. What good is it to increase infant and child mortality only to have the overall effect of increasing poverty rates when these children grow older and are abandoned by their hosts.
charlie
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Mar 10, 2011 17:35:18 GMT -5
Charlie: that's the very struggle I have with Feed My Starving Children. It is truly a dilemma. I hate the thought of children suffering from malnutrition and I like the idea of direct aid of food because it's less likely to end up as cash in a corrupt person's pocket. However, I also believe we are just delaying the problem by creating a population of impoverished adults, who then reproduce at a high rate and create more starving children. And I can't really fault them for having sex---it's free and it provides a moment's happiness in an otherwise dismal situation! So maybe we need to provide education and condoms along with the food...
Maybe we should start a new non-profit: Prevent More Starving Children.
Chuck
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Post by pebblepup on Mar 10, 2011 17:56:45 GMT -5
I agree with this but nobody asks why these situations exist.
If our politicians wanted to solve the illegal immigration issue they would. But doing so would eliminate the work force willing to work under table for a much lower wage. If this labor wasn't available it would eat up a lot of profits for the fat cats that buy politicians. Welfare assists keeping this in place.
Foreign aid is needed so dictators (international corporation puppets) can keep their factory workers (children) in their place producing products for very little return. Infrastructure is needed to get those products made and to get them to market. Can you imagine the price of things if Americans made them? Why pay $10 an hour when you can pay a Chinese, Honduran, Indian, etc. worker $10 a week?
Back to welfare... Should a kid suffer because his mother is lazy bum with the IQ of a chimpanzee and his father is....? Leaving a kid to go without almost guarantees another generation of the derelict life style. I am not sure how much welfare improves the odds. If these people were to take the jobs that they could be easily trained to do labor costs would go up because they would have to pay them more, pay for benefits and pay taxes that don't have to paid for with illegal workers.
The welfare bum issue could easily be resolved by requiring community service to receive benefits. Clean up parks, baby sit the children of the people cleaning the park, deliver meals to the children so they get the food not the lazy parent..... Community service might be a good incentive to get a job. Hey this could also relieve some stress on the government budgets! Plus it would be what charity should be, neighbor helping neighbor, you scratch mine I will scratch your's.
Enough with my rant, it's time to go read about rocks.
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Mar 10, 2011 18:09:33 GMT -5
Ummm Rich, all those companies you seem to hold in such disdain do employ a lot of Americans. Personally I don't find a big problem with that. Better to employ Americans to make weapons systems and such to sell than to just give it to other countries for their politicos to steal from their people or to fund the very folks who want us to fail as a country.
*L* I can't remember what movie it was but the main character was sending money to a Latin American country or some such to support a deprived foreign child. You know, one of those deals where the kid you send the money for sends you a letter now and then. Well, after a few years of support, the now older child, sends the American donor his semi annual letter. It starts" Dear American capitalist dog of a pig" and goes on to say how the, kid now a Commie revolutionary, wished the donor and all his American companions dead and how he was going to participate in actions to cause the downfall of our country. The movie was supposed to be a comedy of course, but that little acorn didn't fall far from the tree of truth.....Mel
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Post by blr2449 on Mar 10, 2011 20:55:17 GMT -5
It seems I found the right group to join. I totally agree with you folks.
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Post by parfive on Mar 10, 2011 21:15:50 GMT -5
The way you describe it, Mel, it sounds more like $timulus than foreign aid. Oops. ;D
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Mar 10, 2011 23:07:52 GMT -5
OK Rich, I agree that starting wars to stimulate manufacturing is somewhat of a stimulus program but often war is necessary to keep the aholes of the world in line when they attack us or support those who would attack us. You though, like most Commies, plainly hold in contempt any corporation that makes profit ,and you believe everyone should get everything all distributed all equal like. Everyone in the ball game gets a trophy, even the obvious lazy asses and losers. Foreign aid is something that is given away not something that is manufactured and sold. By your definition, if a company makes something they can sell for a profit it's stimulus and of course it is. Developing a product, building something and selling something stimulates the economy and gets folks hired to work jobs. Taxing people and wasting their money like the government does with all it's redundant divisions and give away programs, does not make a product, wastes money and nothing is gained for the American people. Product development and production is creative. Government programs with all their stupid meetings, committees, studies, duplication of effort etc ain't real stimulus. It's masturbation. It ain't the real thing, it's just make believe. But heck, you lefties live in a make believe world so I guess it all makes sense to you folks.....Mel
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Post by sitnwrap on Mar 10, 2011 23:49:50 GMT -5
A while back I was thinking of ways to stop illegals from draining our medical reserves. I would love to see this added on the emergency door notice: No one will be refused medical treatment. Once you have been admitted, all information will be processed while treatment is being administered including legal status. If the staff is unable to verify legal status, prior to your release an officer will come to speak with you and take any necessary steps required pertaining to the laws regulating legal status. If you need a translator, one will be available.
Just another way to say "the buck stops here"
kind of off the charity topic but .......
When I do give to a charity, I always ask how much of every dollar actually goes to the charity.
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Post by bobby1 on Mar 10, 2011 23:59:19 GMT -5
Its ironic that we give these dictators money to buy our weapons made by US companies and then they use those weapons to kill their own citizens. Currently Ghadafi is flying older MIGs to ravage his citizens. I say we shoot down all of his planes then give him money to buy our planes so that he can ravage his citizens......or should I not say that? Most of the time we loan these countries the money to buy our weapons and they don't bother to pay us back. Bob
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