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Post by jwtullissisnacom on Mar 13, 2004 0:51:31 GMT -5
Hi, My daughter is in first grade and she is doing a science fair project and she wants to use her rock tumbler because she loves polishing rocks. We have been thinking about a scientific question so she can make her "educated guess" and we are kind of stumped on it. If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you
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James
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Post by James on Mar 13, 2004 0:59:35 GMT -5
The question cloud be: What makes a stone shine? Why does a polished stone shine?
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Banjocreek
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Post by Banjocreek on Mar 13, 2004 2:18:20 GMT -5
How about the effects of erosion?
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Post by hermatite on Mar 13, 2004 9:01:15 GMT -5
What about showing what happens when you tumble stones with different kinds of grit. You know, a) is a stone in just water b) is a stone in 90 grit c) is a stone in sand... that kind of thing. I'm not sure how complicated first grade science projects get but that would be a good comparison. She could make a guess about which grit would wear a stone down the fastest.
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Post by MichiganRocks on Mar 13, 2004 11:30:18 GMT -5
I like the idea about the erosion. Something like, "What is the effect of waves on beach erosion?" Or maybe, "How is sand created?" I know our sludge doesn't usually look like sand, but sand is just ground up silica material (quartz).
Ron
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Post by sandsman1 on Mar 13, 2004 12:50:56 GMT -5
how about why some stones polish and some dont do so well (hardness) why some just crumble and some turn into gems
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Post by Skipper on Mar 13, 2004 13:34:39 GMT -5
How about "this is your stomach...here's why you shouldn't eat rocks"... I'm kidding. Of course, I think others might argue that you could cook Carnelian for dinner.
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SirRoxalot
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Post by SirRoxalot on Mar 13, 2004 14:55:10 GMT -5
Here's a project title:
How a rock tumbler duplicates the effect of the ocean upon beach rocks
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Post by MalibuSky on Mar 13, 2004 20:46:02 GMT -5
My happiest day last semester was when I found out my kid's school was NOT having a science fair. I had suffered through it for 5 years X 2 kids...what a pain it was. It was such a relief knowing "I" didn't have to come up with two ideas, purchase all the crap for it and then figure it out!! Anyways, I know the kids love to see the progression of things. I would start with the same kind of rock and display a set in each stage, then have the grit that was used beside each stage. Of course you need to set up the rock tumbler and drive everyone crazy with the noise. As for the hypothesis, that up to you...I don't have to do that anymore!!! GOOD LUCK!!
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Post by tomahawk on Feb 17, 2019 5:33:44 GMT -5
For those that read this in the future: To design a great science experiment, start by finding something that can be measured. Then design your experiment around that. For rock tumblers, one of the possible things that can be measured is the size of rocks before and after tumbling. Here's the set-up for Tomahawk's rock tumbling science experiment: Question: Which types of rock are most resistant to weathering? Materials to test: We used concrete chunks (since the kids sometimes found them at school) and local rock samples from a landscaping company. You can use some of your rough rocks that you usually tumble, but be sure to include other types for contrast. Local samples can provide relevance, such as something from near your home. Landscaping companies will often give free samples. Include a range of hardnesses. Your rocks should be similar in starting size. Hypothesis: List your rocks in the order you think will be strongest to weakest, maybe include some brief reasons why. Method: Measure each rock's longest length. Tumble the rocks (an equal number of each type, totalling to an appropriate volume for your rock tumbler.) Take them out each day and measure them again. Then re-set-up your tumbler with fresh grit and continue tumbling. For older students where scientific rigor matters, you should repeat the experiment three times (tumble and measure a batch of rocks for a week or two, then start over with a new batch of rocks (the same types) and tumble and measure, then repeat the experiment a third time with a new replicant of rocks.) Younger students can just do the experiment once. Data presentation: Calculate average cumulative length lost for each rock type for each day. (Average length of that rock type before the experiment minus average length of that rock type that day.) Graph time (days) on the x-axis and length lost on the y-axis, with zero at the top, and the lengths going down (since they are losing length.) Make one color-coded line for each rock type. I'm including a video link; pause the video to look at the graph to see what I'm talking about. Graphing length lost instead of length allows all the rocks to start at the same point on the graph: zero. If they started at different lengths, it would be harder to compare results. Results: List the rocks from strongest (least length lost) to weakest (most length lost.) Conclusion: Discuss your results and why they make sense. What surprised you? What did you learn? (Tomahawk learned not to buy plastic rock tumblers!) For any results that did not match your hypothesis, be sure to explain why the rocks were more or less resistant to weathering than you expected. Do some research to find out! It works better if your hypothesis was wrong, because then you have more to explain in the results section, and can show that you learned. Here is a link to Tomahawk presenting his version of this science experiment: YouTube link - Rock Tumbling Science Fair ProjectCheck it out!
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Post by Tommy on Feb 17, 2019 11:58:36 GMT -5
Here is a link to Tomahawk presenting his version of this science experiment: Hi there, welcome to RTH. Cute kid and informative video. We would love it if you would please expand a little on your post on behalf of Tomahawk. Are you a parent of his? Tommy
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Post by lookatthat on Feb 17, 2019 15:37:05 GMT -5
Also could weigh the various rocks through each stage.
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Post by tomahawk on Feb 17, 2019 15:58:05 GMT -5
Here is a link to Tomahawk presenting his version of this science experiment: Hi there, welcome to RTH. Cute kid and informative video. We would love it if you would please expand a little on your post on behalf of Tomahawk. Are you a parent of his? Tommy Yes. I hope that in a year or two, he'll be able to design experiments like this himself, but until then I believe it's better to practice and get a feel for the scientific method, than to be expected to get it right the first time without practice. I did not see many good descriptions of projects like his on-line. I found this post when researching how to design the project, so other people are likely to find it as well. The ideas above of testing different types of grit are good, but I think people researching how to use their rock tumbler in a science project will benefit from hearing about Tomahawk's project as well. To give them ideas, to bounce off of to create their own! Many of us aren't taught in school how to properly design a science experiment. I learned from the Science Fair Coach blog . I want to spread her knowledge that to design a great science fair project, you need to: First, find something you can count or measure (in Tomahawk's case it's rock size before and after tumbling) Then, choose variables to test (different sizes/types of grit, or in Tomahawk's case, different rock types) Only then, write your hypothesis and design your experiment to test it. I think we tend to jump to the question or hypothesis, without finding something measurable first.
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Post by tomahawk on Feb 17, 2019 16:13:31 GMT -5
Also could weigh the various rocks through each stage. Yes!! Weight is an even more accurate measurement of how much rock has been lost than length is. The reason we didn't use rock weight in Tomahawk's experiment, is because one of his rock types was scoria (like pumice, but denser), which is porous, so it holds water in it's holes. It would be holding a different amount of water each time, which would mess up the results (we'd be weighing rock plus water instead of just rock.) The way to accurately measure the rock weights would be to oven-dry them before each weighing. But there's no time to be oven-drying AND tumbling all day. So we went with length to save time. (Also good if you already own a ruler, but not a fine enough scale.) If you have access to a scale (postal scales are available inexpensively) and your rocks are not porous, use rock weight! Just dry them off with a towel each time before weighing. No need to take averages. Just weigh all rocks of a type together on the scale at once. (So, all your granite together each day, all your sandstone together each day, etc.)
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Post by oregon on Feb 17, 2019 16:55:51 GMT -5
My plug for Google Science Journal app sciencejournal.withgoogle.com/ there are IOS & Android versions. Kids can measure sound,light,temp, acceleration, and what ever other sensors your phone has in it. With a few clicks data is recorded to a google spreadsheet, and few more clicks to produce a graph. Incredibly useful as a grown up tool as well.
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