zacharyg024
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Post by zacharyg024 on Dec 15, 2011 2:10:09 GMT -5
:help: Hey everyone! I was wondering if any of you have experimented with making stone ear plugs(jewelry), not for noise cancellation! lol I'm really trying to find an at home obby, and a cheaper way to make my own plugs, versus buying them for up to 60$ a piece.. :/ The prices on them are quite ridiculous, especially at the size I am! (3/4inch.) I'll post a link to some sites that have some very well made plugs. Can anyone give me any tips on how to recreate them? I'm very new to carving stones! www.bodycandy.com/cgi-bin/category/nastpl Thanks for any advice!
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TByrd
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Post by TByrd on Dec 15, 2011 2:39:23 GMT -5
SpokaneTim makes them I think that he posts them under Creations.
TAMMY
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2011 12:16:09 GMT -5
I have made stone rings but have not attempted stone plugs. My son has a tattoo shop and wants me to make the plugs to sell in his shop. After looking at that web sight I doubt that I will be making any plugs if I have to sell them that cheap. The way I see it $11 is dirt cheap and there is no way that I would be willing to sell them at that price. Perfectly round would be much easier to make because they could be turned on a lathe of some kind but hand carved then tumbled to polish would take a lot of time. The pieces shown have to be made in a third world country where they get paid pennies a day and even as a hobby I would not try to compete with them. The electricity that I use probably costs more than their labor. Plus if you are buying the really good stone that is shown it will cost you more than the plug. Some of the plugs on the site are only four dollars and you can not buy the rough stone here for that price. As a hobby, making them for yourself there would be a lot of satisfaction in that. Plus, when people asked "where did you get your plugs?" the hero factor would be head swelling. Problem there will be people asking you to make them for the same price that you are complaining about paying or for free. When you say 3/4 inch, is that measured at the edge or the inside of the groove? The way I would make them is to use a hole saw in a drill press to cut the blanks then either work the groove by hand with a dremel or use a grooving tool on the drill press. If you are serious about making the plugs I can show you some pics of how I would do it but the set up for doing it will either take some bucks or you will need to be a real good garage sale shopper. Some of my tools have been picked up at garage sales and from friends of family and they were very cheap. If you pay full price just a dremel and some diamond bits will cost $100 or more for good ones. I do not know your background as far as what kind of skills you have but that can be a big factor also. Still interested? give me a shout. Jim
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spokanetim
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Post by spokanetim on Dec 15, 2011 13:26:21 GMT -5
Hi Zachary, Like Tammy said I make and have sold lots of stone plugs. I've got the process down and can give you loads of help. I'm wondering if you're new to lapidary work or have experience cutting rocks. I ask because there's quiet a bit of expensive equipment needed needed to make a quality plug. Those plugs you posted from BodyCandy are mass produced Chinese plugs. They are ok but often the sizes are wrong, flare to big or small, and they miss represent what stone they are selling (like calling dyed howlite real turquoise, my pet peeve). The sell for very cheep. No way a person can compete with those prices, so you have to make a superior plug. Anyway, here a few examples of what I make. I can't make much now as my shop is frozen sold, literally. 00g Montana Moss 9/16" Labradorite 2g Conch pins, rutilated quartz 7/8" rutilated quartz 3/4" Purple Jadeite 0g dino bone I've got some older plugs on my site now marked way down just to sell them. Tim
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Post by christopherl1234 on Dec 15, 2011 14:29:00 GMT -5
Tim,
I have always admired and tried to figure our how you keep your plugs so straight and even.
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Post by FrogAndBearCreations on Dec 15, 2011 14:29:53 GMT -5
yes and how do your pinkies hold up doing those?
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spokanetim
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Post by spokanetim on Dec 15, 2011 16:42:27 GMT -5
It's not to hard. You just need some good calipers, practice and willingness to grind off your fingertips. I'm talking literally, not figuratively. To many times to count while working on plugs (especially the small ones) I've walked away with bleeding finger tips. Takes a lot of concentration so the size is perfect, fingernails and skin get ground off as a result. I should charge more for pain and suffering.
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zacharyg024
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Post by zacharyg024 on Dec 16, 2011 2:18:27 GMT -5
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Post by zacharyg024 on Dec 16, 2011 2:19:25 GMT -5
spokanetim btw man those plugs are amazing, I admire your work brother. Looks like you worked very hard to make those and they seem to be definitely of superior quality than some Chinesse knock off! Kudos!
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Post by Rockoonz on Dec 16, 2011 11:16:13 GMT -5
The die grinder in the link is a low quality DC unit. You would have to purchase an additional power supply and it would still be underpowered and not suitable for wet work. You need to grind stones wet to keep the diamond burrs cool and to avoid breathing the toxic dust.
I think bare minimum to do what you want to do (assuming you start with slabs) would be a drill press suitable for wet cutting of your preforms, a flex shaft grinder like a Foredom to grind the grooves, and a vibrational tumbler to finish them off.
Lee
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spokanetim
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Post by spokanetim on Dec 17, 2011 1:51:53 GMT -5
Yep, Lee's right on all points. You need custom slabs cut to about 14 mm. That way you can grind back to the usual width of around 13 mm. To cut the blank plugs I use diamond core drills in a drill press with a constant water feed. That's called a water swivel adapter. For 3/4" plugs you should use a 22 mm core drill, that will get you very close to the flare you want.
After you have your blank's than you can carve out the saddle with a drimel, better a flex shaft, to 19.1 mm and flares of about 21 mm. If it's agate or jasper than you can toss it into a vibe tumbler to do the hard sanding work.
That's not exactly how I do it but it would work for a basic plug. To go into some sort of production than the equipment price goes up a bunch.
As you are new to cutting rocks I HIGHLY suggest seeing if you have a lapidary club. Learning how to cut and polish a stone is priory one.
Tim
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2011 10:32:01 GMT -5
Tim, What are your thoughts on spinning the stone on the drill press and using the flex shaft to grind the concave? It is something that I have been tossing around in my head. If I made plugs with holes in them it would be easy but without holes I am thinking a bearing in the vice with a rubber knob of some sort and a bolt with a rubber head chucked up in the drill like a vertical lathe. A large diamond burr in the flex shaft could be used to grind the groove. I have a water feed to my drill press or I am set up to have my vice under water. I refuse to donate blood to an unworthy cause. Jim
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Post by sjacks33 on Feb 27, 2013 14:32:31 GMT -5
Tim How much do you sell the stone plugs for?
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Post by itsandbits on Feb 27, 2013 15:48:01 GMT -5
this is the thread i was looking for and couln't find when I started mine. I know it's not of the quality posted in this thread but it's my first one and just a quicky to try the concept url]http://forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=57791&page=1[/url]
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Mattatya
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Post by Mattatya on Feb 27, 2013 16:24:37 GMT -5
Hi Tim, What's your site link? Is it Etsy? I wear 5/16. My favorites plugs are called luciferens made here in Seattle. She doesn't make them anymore but I was able to find a red/orange. www.tumblr.com/tagged/luciferins
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spokanetim
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Post by spokanetim on Mar 3, 2013 12:16:04 GMT -5
Hey, sorry I haven't checked the site in awhile and missed the questions. I've slowed down on the plug making because it was getting sort of nuts with requests. Anyway, a member just sent me a PM on how to make them so I thought I'd share if there's interest on how I make them. 1st, What size are you making? I use core drills to make the blank based on the size of the plug. Generally the smallest you can make are 4G ( I use the size chart on this page: piercedbeauty.hubpages.com/hub/The-History-Method-and-Ear-Gauging ) 2nd, do you want single flare or double flare? Single flare have only a front face then a tube behind that is inserted into the lobe, it's held in place with a rubber O-ring. Double flare have the traditional saddle with a front and back slightly larger than the size. Single flare are easier to start out making as you won't need anything but your cabbing machine. Making double flare will require you to use either a diamond wheel like this jadecarver.com/Wheel6x15csm.jpg or a large burr like this jadecarver.com/CarverThick1.jpg to cut the saddle. 3, Once you decide what rock you want to use cut a 16 mm slab. Don't use fractured or pitted stone for two reasons. One it will probably break. Two, you don't cracks or pits in the ear area as it's uncomfortable and it's a nice place for bacteria to grow. 4, Cut your plug blank from the slab with core drill trying to pick matching patterns in the rock. You will need to make the blank 3-5 mm over the actual size for double flare plugs and 5+ for single flare. Making the plugs. For ease we will assume you are making a 00g plug or 10.4 mm 1, Single flare plugs. Make a very low dome cab out of the front face. The front face should be anywhere from 2-6 mm round. 3 mm behind the face, grind down the tube size using your 80 wheel to very close to actual size. Keep it a perfectly round tube and keep checking the size of the tube with digital calipers. For 00g I would grind it down to 10.8 mm on the 80, then using the 220 grind to 10.5 mm. Finally with the Nova 280 sand to actual size of 10.4. Using the edges of the wheels you can sand the back side of the face the same way. Now you have your sized single flare plug, grind the back so there is about 10-11 mm of wearable area and give the back a very slight dome. Continue sanding and polishing with the rest of wheels till the plug is done. 2, Double flare plugs. Using your plug blank, cut the center saddle using either the 220 U wheel or large burr. Cut it slow and careful trying to keep it round and checking the size often. The U shaped saddle should be about 6.5-7.5 mm across so it's a snug fit in the ear. Grind the saddle down to about 10.5 mm Use the edge of your soft nova wheel to carefully sand the U or saddle till it's smooth (KEEP IT U SHAPED) and at size of 10.4 mm. Sand the front and back of the plug back so the saddle is centered and the total plug length is about 12.5 mm. Give the front and back a very low dome. Carefully cut the front and back flare so the plug is about 11 mm round. They have to push that flare threw their lobe so it's to bit it won't go in, if it's to small the plug will fall out. Continue polishing the plug using the edge of your Nova wheels. That's pretty much the basics of plug making. Unlike cabbing where you use the center of the wheel, plugs wears out the sides. There's more for different kinds of plugs and a vib tumbler can be a big help for some rocks, but that should get you started. Hope that helps, Tim
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Post by ltpaulbtv on Apr 15, 2013 19:51:44 GMT -5
What did you say?? Can you design hearings aids to replace my plastic ones. Nice work!!
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Post by cowboy32141 on Nov 3, 2015 8:01:31 GMT -5
Where can I find stone thick enough to make plugs? I have everything but the raw materials help
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Nov 3, 2015 10:07:53 GMT -5
Where can I find stone thick enough to make plugs? I have everything but the raw materials help You will not find precut slabs thick enough for plugs very often. You will either need to have them custom cut or cut them yourself for your projects. There's just not enough demand for thick slabs to justify people stocking them. A $70 tile saw would probably be enough to get you going plus then you will have the satisfaction of taking you project from rough rock all the way to finished product. Chuck
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Post by captbob on Nov 3, 2015 10:10:00 GMT -5
Did you check your previous thread? As I said there, all you have to do is ask.
How about this - put up one thread in the Buy, Sell & Swap section. Specify exactly what you are looking for.
You said that you are looking for around 1" thick slabs. Then you said 12mm. Either way, you basically want thick slabs to make ear plugs.
Slabs of what?
Put up a thread in the BSS section and folks will see it.
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