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Post by helens on Apr 18, 2012 13:31:37 GMT -5
Hubby shot these photos yesterday... thought you'd like to see them. It's the end of an era... Discovery made a long lazy lap around the Kennedy Space Center before leaving forever, so hubby took a break to snap these. It was near dawn, so the photos are not very sharp, but these are completely unedited, but resized photos. Looking at them brings tears to our eyes. With all the whining and crying about waste and cutting cost, so the rich can be richer, one of the things that hits the floor is the entire US Space Program. It too funds the tax breaks for the wealthy, who invest everywhere but in the US, in everyone's pride but our own. We were the first in the skies, the first to the moon, the first to have a spacecraft that could return, the first to Mars, and now... other nations take the baton as we sink into political partisan ignomy. Saying goodbye to Discovery isn't just saying goodbye to a well-used space shuttle, but goodbye to US's former status as #1, the first and best in everything. I still hold out hope we can be proud of something again, but not today. It's heartbreaking.
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Post by chad on Apr 18, 2012 14:04:43 GMT -5
Unfortunately this (the demise of state funded non profit space exploration) is just a side effect of our technology and scientific progress far outpacing our wisdom. Until we as a species grow up, learn, and gain the wisdom we lack, we lose so much. Hopefully with time our ethics, goals, and vision can catch up to our scientists' skill. I think the first indication of progress will be when invention and tech is funded primarily by sources not dedicated to making weapons and destruction for killing each other on this little rock. But hey, if we don't make it, at least fast food will ensure we don't last forever
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Post by xXxAlisha91xXx on Apr 18, 2012 15:12:12 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing the pictures, Helen...
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Post by rockingthenorth on Apr 18, 2012 18:39:55 GMT -5
Wow didn't even know this Helen and Yes thanks for sharing the pic's it is a sad thing to see.
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Post by rockrookie on Apr 18, 2012 19:42:06 GMT -5
Great pictures !! --paul
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Post by Bikerrandy on Apr 18, 2012 20:48:48 GMT -5
WE were talking about this at the construction site this morning. Great pics!!
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 18, 2012 20:56:23 GMT -5
Impressive photos indeed! It is sad, the last great North American achievement of our time. I guess we flew too close to the sun . . .
I guess the stealth Aircraft were up there too, One of my favorite memories about the benefits of the space program was Space Food Sticks. I liked the chocolate ones.
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Post by helens on Apr 18, 2012 23:07:23 GMT -5
It was a cloudy morning yesterday. I saw NASA's press photos, and they photoshopped it to look like it was all sunny: www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/discovery_departure.htmlBut hubby had a cheap little camera on the job, so no way to adjust it. He said the shuttle was 50 yards up, and he was upset it looked so small in the photos. He's building SpaceX's facilities right now (I can't give details), so he was closer than the press was allowed. I remember the first space shuttle take off... I remember looking up in the sky at lunchtime and seeing parts of Challenger falling off into the water ... we saw nearly every launch of the shuttle out the window of our old house, and felt the sonic booms from every single return, night or day. You have no idea how we feel about this.... but life goes on.
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Post by mohs on Apr 19, 2012 0:23:57 GMT -5
fabulous photo's and sad but we will fly again !
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Post by mohs on Apr 19, 2012 2:38:20 GMT -5
I saw night -time lift off in 1991 I was in second story apartment about 40 miles away facing east It lit up the night like day light for a hundred miles felt the lowrumble to !
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Post by droseraguy on Apr 19, 2012 7:47:25 GMT -5
We went to the last launch and had a great experience. Never have I been surrounded by such a large crowd ! The launch was inspiring and sad all in all.
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Post by texaswoodie on Apr 19, 2012 9:55:53 GMT -5
Just one mre thing Obama has killed.
Curt
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 19, 2012 11:13:25 GMT -5
Yeah, Too bad Obama has other things he wants to spend our money on, like green energy and social justice. In Jan. of 2011 President Barack Obama used the former Soviet space program to challenge Americans in his State of the Union address. Yahoo reported: “Half a century ago the Soviets beat us into space with the launch of a satellite called Sputnik. We had no idea how we’d beat them to the moon. The science wasn’t there yet. NASA didn’t exist. But after investing in better research and education, we didn’t just surpass the Soviets; we unleashed a wave of innovation that created new industries and millions of new jobs. This is our generation’s Sputnik moment.” Did you notice he didn’t call it a NASA moment? He couldn’t. Last year (2010) Barack Obama cut NASA funding. Astronaut Neil Armstrong spoke out at the time against the devastating cuts. The Times Online reported: The world’s best-known astronaut, who has traditionally avoided controversy and rarely seeks the limelight despite his feat 41 years ago, warned that Mr Obama risks blasting American space superiority on a “long downhill slide to mediocrity”. The decision to cancel Constellation, the project to send astronauts to the Moon again by 2020 and Mars by 2030, was “devastating”, Mr Armstrong said in a powerful open letter to the President. “America’s only path to low Earth orbit and the International Space Station will now be subject to an agreement with Russia to purchase space on their Soyuz – at a price of over $50 million [£32 million] per seat with significant increases expected in the near future – until we have the capacity to provide transportation for ourselves,” he said in the letter, which was also signed by Gene Cernan, the last man on the Moon, and Jim Lovell, commander of the ill-fated Apollo 13 mission in 1970. Instead of focusing on space, the Obama Administrations NASA plan was to reach out to the Muslim world. --------------------------------- NASA to 'Reach Out' to Muslim Countries voices.yahoo.com/nasa-reach-out-muslim-countries-5492229.html
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Post by lparker on Apr 19, 2012 11:47:26 GMT -5
Obama did not kill the shuttle program.It was some other ass that didn't want to invest more into it and killed it without having a replacement up and running first.
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Post by helens on Apr 19, 2012 11:59:08 GMT -5
Woody are you joking? We have been involved with NASA since 1994 in one way or another. There's a long story there about funding, and everything else, that I am not at liberty to discuss. I assure you that no one here knows more about the Space program than we do. But it was NOT Obama who killed it, it was Bush and the Republicans.
On this issue, you can cut the made up rhetoric, the space program is a HUGE reason for getting RID of the Republicans in Congress, who are literally the stupidest group of Republicans we've ever seen in US history.
If not for Bush (and Clinton's first 2/3 cut of NASA's budget), we'd already be on our way to terraforming Mars.
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Post by texaswoodie on Apr 19, 2012 12:01:03 GMT -5
Obama did not kill the shuttle program.It was some other ass that didn't want to invest more into it and killed it without having a replacement up and running first. Must have been George Bush Curt
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Post by helens on Apr 19, 2012 12:04:22 GMT -5
It was both Bush and Clinton. You guys have NO IDEA of the incredible things NASA was working on before they laid everyone off.
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Post by grayfingers on Apr 19, 2012 12:05:57 GMT -5
ac·count·abil·i·ty noun \ə-ˌkau̇n-tə-ˈbi-lə-tē\ Definition of ACCOUNTABILITY : the quality or state of Blaming Bush first; ask questions later.
It is true that the decision to end the shuttle program was made during Bush. Obama Killed NASA.
Hard to understand why, NASA's share of the federal budget,was just0.5% to under 1% of the federal budget.
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Post by helens on Apr 19, 2012 12:20:56 GMT -5
Wrong Gray. He killed the going back to the moon for no reason. NASA's goal was always deep space. Obama INCREASED NASA funding; by a little hair, but when you're hanging to the last frayed strings of a rope, one drop of crazy glue helps. Even Buzz Aldrin (the COMMANDER of the moon mission) agrees, and for an old man, he's still sharp as a tack. www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2010-02-01-nasa-moon-obama_N.htm
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Post by helens on Apr 19, 2012 12:24:52 GMT -5
In total seriousness, the guy who put NASA on its knees was Bill Clinton. Bush's axe job was just adding fuel.
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