grayfingers
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Post by grayfingers on May 12, 2012 7:27:18 GMT -5
This is a odd thing, with all the push to reduce our fossil fuel consumption it is ironic that the government does not really want that to happen as they would collect less taxes. I have heard about car / oil companies buying patents to suppress fuel efficient technology, but never dreamed our govt. would be so hypocritical.
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Post by mohs on May 12, 2012 14:25:07 GMT -5
but never dreamed our govt. would be so hypocritical. O c'mon Bill ! what rhetoric are you trying pull over whose eyes
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Post by lparker on May 12, 2012 17:38:40 GMT -5
I saw this before. It still gets 53 mpg or so in the US. An Imperial gallon is about 5 quarts US.
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Post by grayfingers on May 12, 2012 17:52:20 GMT -5
Who me Ed?, Shocked, Shocked, I say. . .Well. . . as my dear ol' granpappy usta say, " if the wool fits, best wear it." I think he mentions that 78.5 MPG – Imperial Gallon = 65.2 MPG US Gallon, if correct that is pretty good.
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Post by kap on May 12, 2012 18:53:10 GMT -5
My brother-in-law has one he can get 50+ on the road.
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Post by brent on May 13, 2012 11:37:47 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me at all.
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Post by chassroc on May 14, 2012 11:57:04 GMT -5
Bill, I had stopped responding to your threads as they become more and more absurd. This is probably the biggest non sense of them all, if that is possible. You're actually going to defend someone who claims the US Govt is squashing better gas mileage.
This is the same government you and other Conservatives lambaste for requiring better gas mileage standards!!!!!!
Americans want bigger and peppier cars that get lower mileage, The Government wants them to get smaller cars with smaller engines that get better gas mileage.
BTW...VW keeps trying to sell diesel Passats that get better mileage than their regular gas counterparts and Americans keep turning them down.
Electric cars sell to a very limited audience of Greenies unless the Governement subsidizes them. American car executives have made many very bad decisions during the past few decades. Giving away the low margin markets to concentrate of larger higher marging vehicles. They have made similar mistakes in the alternative car markets that allowed Toyota to seize a high percentage of that market.
The only real meddling the government has done is to rescue Detroit from bankruptcy and has kept more US workers off the unemployment lines at the height of the recession when jobs were really scarce.
charlie
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Post by jakesrocks on May 14, 2012 12:19:08 GMT -5
One of my rich neighbors just bought on of those hybrids. On battery power the damned thing sounds like a power steering pump going bad.
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Post by johnjsgems on May 14, 2012 15:03:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure with the fleet mileage standards manufacturers have to meet (and improve) any easy quick way to get better mileage would not be suppressed. The majority of new cars sold in Europe are clean burning diesels. Here in Commiefornia until recently you couldn't get a diesel car, clean burning or not. I saw the VW's with their TDI diesels recently though. When the New Beetle diesel came out (50 mpg) they were not allowed into CA.
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Post by grayfingers on May 14, 2012 15:37:44 GMT -5
Charlie, Right back at ya bud. First off, Either you did not watch the video or you are somewhat lacking in comprehension skills. The motor that gets 65 mpg is not allowed to be sold here. When have I EVER lambasted the government about requiring improvements in gas mileage? NEVER. If the government MANDATED that all cars sold have to be so fuel efficient that there was no freedom of choice left I would have a problem with that. Ya know Charlie, In all of our discussions and disagreements over the past 4 years or so I have never once attacked you personally. Up until the moment I read your response, I actually liked you. Have a swell day.
Bill
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Post by bushmanbilly on May 14, 2012 20:54:38 GMT -5
BTW...VW keeps trying to sell diesel Passats that get better mileage than their regular gas counterparts and Americans keep turning them down.
Charlie, the reason folks are getting away from or not buying diesel cars and trucks. There is no real savings in the price of fuel. Diesel used to be way cheaper than gas. Mega people switched over to diesel so they uped the price due to demand. The extra you pay for a diesel engine, can't be recouped now. The only way they are economical now is if you pull a large RV or trailer. The same thing happened here with propane years ago.
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Post by bushmanbilly on May 14, 2012 20:56:44 GMT -5
Bill, I had stopped responding to your threads as they become more and more absurd.
Hmmm, I find them interesting and educational. :2cents:
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Post by brent on May 14, 2012 21:32:59 GMT -5
Billy is right, the cost of the diesel option isn't worth the extra money. But I sure miss my 6.2 gmc diesel(33 mpg on biodiesel and 28 mpg on regular diesel). Vehicles have always been below their potential. I had a 1989 5.0 mustang that got 31 mpg at 70mph, a few years later the 5.0 mustangs with the same engine was getting 25mpg. I've had over 200 vehicles since I was 16. The vehicle companies could make more efficient cars if they wanted to.
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Post by Tonyterner on May 15, 2012 8:12:48 GMT -5
Fuel efficiency in cars is pretty much market driven, people don't want cars that get high gas mileage, they want big ass SUV's. I did some research a couple of years ago for a paper for college and the 10 years prior to that point average gas mileage in vehicles had gone down. It was the first 10 year stretch that this ever happened. Not surprisingly the sale of SUV's climbed during that time too.
Its a tough call for the government. They need to look like they are reducing our reliance on foreign oil but they don't want to loose the money they suck out of us in gas taxes.
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Post by texaswoodie on May 15, 2012 8:13:28 GMT -5
A Liberal calling a Conservative "absurd"
Now THAT is funny
Curt
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Post by brent on May 15, 2012 11:30:34 GMT -5
I should add to what I said earlier. It doesn't pay to buy a diesel if it's new and you intend to trade it off in three years. It would pay if you intend to drive it for an extended period and put on alot of miles. Also, I make my own fuel, so it works out cheaper that way too. My 6.2 gmc had over 700,000km on it when I got rid of it.
I wanted to get a jeep diesel, but they no longer sell them here. I would need to buy the 24mpg gas instead of the 30mpg diesel.
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